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#1 hyperunknown

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 00:29

Hey, hyperunknown here.
I just downloaded Renoise 2.7.0 Beta 1 from backstage, and I have encountered what I think is a bug.

If I choose File -> Save, Renoise just plain shuts down in less than a second. No error or anything, just a complete process kill. Same thing with File -> Save As. It works to save chiptunes, but it feels like it's only songs using VST plugins that makes Renoise crash when saving.

I successfully saved a chiptune with VST effects but no VST instruments, but any song with a VST instrument seems to crash it. Just a headsup :)

  
    
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 00:30

I've been working on a track all day in the beta version and have successfully saved and reloaded it several times. It features several VST instruments and effects, and I've had no such problems. Can you be a bit more specific, like mention which VSTs you are actually using, so we can try to narrow it down a bit? Also, are you on Windows or OSX?

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 00:32

Also, what OS (Windows, Mac, Linux?)

Can you post the crashlog? In Renoise do "Help -> Show The Log File"

PS: Works for me. No crashes.

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 00:32

works here without crashing, what are your computer specs / Os ?

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Posted 13 March 2011 - 00:43

Allrighty, here's the additional info -- sorry for not submitting that in the first place, should've been basic enough :P

   VSTs:
           Blue
           Vanguard
           Hypersonic2
           Omnisphere
           
    Computer:
           Windows 7 Home Premium x64, 8gb DDR2 RAM, Corsair CMFSSD-64D1 64gb SSD drive
           Intel® Core™2 Quad CPU Q8300 @ 2.50GHz
           MMX, SSE, SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3, SSE4.1, Intel 64
           MB ASUS P5Q SE2, chipset P45/P43/G45/G43, Southbridge 82801JR (ICH10R)           

    Logfile:

Application: Loading 'T-11-7.xrns'...

MIDI: Loading MIDI actions from file 'C:\winprog\renoise 2.7.0 beta 1\Scripts\GlobalMidiActions.lua'...

Osc: Loading OSC actions from file 'C:\winprog\renoise 2.7.0 beta 1\Scripts\GlobalOscActions.lua'...

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Rob Papen\Blue\Blue.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'RPCX: Blue', Unique ID:1349022532, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vstplugins\Vanguard\Vanguard.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'reFX: Vanguard', Unique ID:1447514692, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Hypersonic.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Steinberg GmbH: Hypersonic', Unique ID:1400132435, Version:2300
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vstplugins\Omnisphere.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Spectrasonics: Omnisphere', Unique ID:1097687666, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vstplugins\Vanguard\Vanguard.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'reFX: Vanguard', Unique ID:1447514692, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Rob Papen\Blue\Blue.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'RPCX: Blue', Unique ID:1349022532, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vstplugins\Omnisphere.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Spectrasonics: Omnisphere', Unique ID:1097687666, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vstplugins\Omnisphere.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Spectrasonics: Omnisphere', Unique ID:1097687666, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Rob Papen\Blue\Blue.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'RPCX: Blue', Unique ID:1349022532, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vokko.dll
VstPlugs: Plug is a SynthEdit plug (SE version: 80)...
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko', Unique ID:1986751343, Version:2300
VstPlugs: Disabled multi processor support for SynthEdit plug 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko'
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vokko.dll
VstPlugs: Plug is a SynthEdit plug (SE version: 80)...
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko', Unique ID:1986751343, Version:2300
VstPlugs: Disabled multi processor support for SynthEdit plug 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko'
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\Vokko.dll
VstPlugs: Plug is a SynthEdit plug (SE version: 80)...
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko', Unique ID:1986751343, Version:2300
VstPlugs: Disabled multi processor support for SynthEdit plug 'Matias Monteagudo: Vokko'
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\CamelSpace.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Camel Audio: CamelSpace', Unique ID:1130451761, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\CamelSpace.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Camel Audio: CamelSpace', Unique ID:1130451761, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK
VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate F:\Vstplugins\CamelSpace.dll
VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin 'Camel Audio: CamelSpace', Unique ID:1130451761, Version:2400
VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

Exception: Unexpected end of file!

Player: Constructing...
Player: Creating the slave threads...
Player: Start running...

GUI: Creating the Document GUI...
GUI: Successfully constructed

Application: Successfully loaded 'T-11-7.xrns'.

Application: Saving 'T-11-7.xrns'...


That's the EOF of the logfile, nothing in it after the saving line.

On a sidenote -- GREAT work with Renoise!
I started out using trackers on Amiga, specifically Noisetracker by Mahoney & Kaktus. Until 3 years ago I was on the dark side though for like 5-6 years, using sequencers, and then I found Renoise. The light in the tunnel! And the best part -- it handle's VST's so no money wasted on plugins I could no longer use! :D .. You're freaking magicians, having created this piece of software. Thumbs up!
 
  

Edited by hyperunknown, 13 March 2011 - 01:00.

  
    
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:10

And the saving is done with a fresh song or did you continued on a project that you saved in Renoise 2.6?
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:12

It's a song made in v2.6.1, that I continued building in this latest beta release from today.

  
    
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 01:24

If you would clear the song-patterns and only try to save the empty song, yet with all the plugins and their parameters, can you reproduce the bug?
Then try to clear instrument slots in turn and attempt to save it until Renoise no longer crash, we can then pinpoint the VST plugin that has issues.
I'm also wondering if trying to save that particular plugin as an instrument would cause the same crash, this might mean that some VST parameter set somehow doesn't work for Renoise to save anylonger.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 02:50

Loaded song, Deleted all patterns: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Blue" from song: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Vanguard" from song: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Hypersonic 2" from song: Crashed right when deleting the VST.
Loaded song in 2.6.1, Removed VST "Hypersonic 2" from song, Saved, Loaded song in 2.7.0 b1: Works to save.

So obviously it's the "Hypersonic 2" VST that's causing the crash. No idea how I can be of help with the actual VST though, as it's registered in my name making me unable to distribute it. Anyway, good thing we got to the bottom of it - I'll just make the instrument into a sample (it's just a low bass loop) and use it as wav in the meantime :)

  
    
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 21:47

Loaded song, Deleted all patterns: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Blue" from song: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Vanguard" from song: Crash.
Loaded song, Removed VST "Hypersonic 2" from song: Crashed right when deleting the VST.
Loaded song in 2.6.1, Removed VST "Hypersonic 2" from song, Saved, Loaded song in 2.7.0 b1: Works to save.

So obviously it's the "Hypersonic 2" VST that's causing the crash. No idea how I can be of help with the actual VST though, as it's registered in my name making me unable to distribute it. Anyway, good thing we got to the bottom of it - I'll just make the instrument into a sample (it's just a low bass loop) and use it as wav in the meantime :)


If you try to save the Hypersonic 2 instrument slot to disk as an XRNI in 2.7.0, does renoise crash then as well?
Else you can try to save this one in Renoise 2.6.1 and then supply us the XRNI, Taktik can then explore the parameter bits to see if there is something in the VST parameters that is causing the problem.
It must be somewhere in that corner.
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 22:36

If you try to save the Hypersonic 2 instrument slot to disk as an XRNI in 2.7.0, does renoise crash then as well?
Else you can try to save this one in Renoise 2.6.1 and then supply us the XRNI, Taktik can then explore the parameter bits to see if there is something in the VST parameters that is causing the problem.
It must be somewhere in that corner.


So, in Renoise 2.7.0 b1 I right-clicked the instrument and chose "Save Instrument As", and it crashed.
Here's the .xrni file saved with 2.6.1;
http://www.hyperunknown.net/renoise/
Hope it clears up something :)

  
    
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Posted 17 March 2011 - 14:02

Just a bump.
I've tried to locate hypersonic myself on the net... these Steinberg guys never have heard of the phrase demo apparently and it seems hypersonic is a bit dated (2008?)
Anyway, this sucks immensely. I hope Taktik has better connections with Steinberg.
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Posted 17 March 2011 - 14:43

Indeed, I've never seen a demo of it either, I bought it because a friend of mine had it, hadn't heard of it before that. Anyway, it's Steinberg Hypersonic 2.0, I don't remember if I wrote the version number before, but there it is anyway :)

  
    
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Posted 17 March 2011 - 15:12

Hard to explain the why and how (and believe you, you don't want to know), but this should have fixed itself for the next beta. 2.7 b1 is a bit more nit-picky with bugs from plugins compared to 2.6 (see various plugin reports here).

We've reverted this behavior for the next beta, so that bugs do no longer immediately crash down Renoise.

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Posted 17 March 2011 - 18:29

Sounds great! *eagerly waiting* :p

  
    
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