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#26 ghostwerk

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Posted 22 May 2015 - 10:50

is work still being done for r3?


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Posted 22 May 2015 - 19:28

is work still being done for r3?

Hi, I tweak it on and off. I restarted it from scratch. Hence all the questions of "what do you need for the first R3 version" - which I didn't really get any answers to.

 

So, what would you like for the first Alpha R3 build? :) I've mostly been focusing on integrating the phrase editor features, but since it is a bit hairy (to say the least), the first version might not have any Phrase editor stuff.


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Posted 23 May 2015 - 19:59

For starters:

 

It would be cool if it would (again) include the keyboard shortcuts  "move to next effect column"

 

and especially the keyboard shortcuts for the loopmodes in the sample-editor. (forward/backward/pingpong)

 

Theese were very helpful to me. :)

 

 

(On a sidenote: Maybe you can hack the Modulation and Effect Sets/Chains, so that we can have keyboard shortcuts for next/prevs on theese as well.)


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Posted 23 May 2015 - 20:22

For starters:

 

It would be cool if it would (again) include the keyboard shortcuts  "move to next effect column"

 

and especially the keyboard shortcuts for the loopmodes in the sample-editor. (forward/backward/pingpong)

 

Theese were very helpful to me. :)

(On a sidenote: Maybe you can hack the Modulation and Effect Sets/Chains, so that we can have keyboard shortcuts for next/prevs on theese as well.)

 

Hi, okay, to start off, a few questions for clarification.

When there's one effect column displayed, should the "move to next effect column"  "unhide" a 2nd effect column - so that if you press it on effectcolumn1  with only 1 effect column shown, pressing the key will show up effectcolumn2 and move to effectcolumn2, and so on? 

 

loopmodes in sample-editor, should they only affect the sample that is currently shown, or all samples in the instrument? :)

 

can you tell a little bit more about the modulation effect set chain  next/prev - is that for switching between the displays (a key to go from mod->effect set/chain->mod), or for actual "mouse selection"? :)


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Posted 26 May 2015 - 17:50

Hi, sorry for the late reply, was travelling. :)

 

- About the "move to next effect column" thing: Good question. I am not sure how Paketti handled that one in the old version. In my case I would rather not

 

unhide another (empty) one, that wouldn't make too much sense, as the power of that shortcut was

 

additional speed in navigating the colums. Also when I remember correctly, that how the shortcut worked in the first place. I think it even skipped note colums inbetween effect colums on different tracks,

 

so you could move from effect column to the next without stopping on notecolums. But I am not sure about that one. Would need to reinstall 2.8 to check this, but that would make a lot of sense speed-wise, wouldnt it? 

 

 

- Loopmodes  for *sure* only should affect the currently shown sample. Thats the most practical. If you have a sample set, especially bigger kits, you wouldn't want to change all of them at once.

 

My main use for this was for example when browsing through the AKFW single cycle waveforms. When you load one of theese, the loop setting "resets" to no loop.

 

So I had a macro, that loaded the next sample and then executed the paketti "loop forward" command in one go.

 

Browsing single cycle waveforms without this feature is nonsense, because it takes way too long to 

 

always manually enable loop mode when loading the next waveform.  And this has of course far more useful applications than this example.

 

 

- Modulation Effect chain. Well, my thoughtprocess is something like this:

 

When you have, lets say, three different modulation chains for your instrument, and that Instrument has 5 different samples.

 

Now you want to try out all three of theese modulation chains on all 5 samples of the instrument to hear which one's best.

 

A keyboardshortcut to cycle through this assignment would speed this up tremendously. (Instead of what you have to do now,

 

which is selecting and clicking the radiobutton)  

 

Same thing would apply for effectchains as well.

 

 

 So I do not think about switching displays (you can do that already) also not for mouse selection. I hope you understand my gibberish... :)

 

 

 

By the way, when I might add something:

 

What until now no one did (AFAIK) is an equivalent to the "edit step - move to next row with note" command,

 

but for the fx column. (i.e. edit step - move to next row with pattern effect) which would be uber-useful.

 

Maybe it's that hard to do, I dont know. 

 

 

Best,

 

tL.


Edited by tL One, 26 May 2015 - 18:19.


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 13:42

- Loopmodes  for *sure* only should affect the currently shown sample. Thats the most practical. If you have a sample set, especially bigger kits, you wouldn't want to change all of them at once.

My main use for this was for example when browsing through the AKFW single cycle waveforms. When you load one of theese, the loop setting "resets" to no loop.

So I had a macro, that loaded the next sample and then executed the paketti "loop forward" command in one go.

 

Hi tL One! I finally came across these things. I can confirm that Loop-mode setting works with the (currently unreleased) Paketti  version that is compatible with Renoise.

It works the same way it used to work, i.e. whichever sample is visible in the sample editor  has it's setting changed. even if the sample editor is not visible. :)
 

I'll try and look at your other things but I just had to come and confirm this. The next one would be to look at the effect column switching, as that should still be simple.

 

I'm guessing it's okay if it only works in the Pattern Editor, right, and not the Phrase Editor? Having it work in the Phrase Editor would be a right hassle. Especially the way the current Phrase Editor LUA Api switches are done. (i.e. not done)


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Posted 17 June 2015 - 13:49

- About the "move to next effect column" thing: Good question. I am not sure how Paketti handled that one in the old version. In my case I would rather not

unhide another (empty) one, that wouldn't make too much sense

 

Ok, continuing on this one. I can verify that the 8 shortcuts that decide how many effect columns are shown (1 to 8) do work:

Preferences_effectcolumn.jpg

 

at least in the phrase editor.

I'm gonna go look through all the commented code I have in the V2->V3 Paketti switch and see where that "move to effect column x" is at. :)

EDIT: "Switch Effect Column/Note Column" shortcut works a-ok. and doesn't shoot errors on Sends / Masters (at least to the user, but of course in the terminal ;) )


Edited by esaruoho, 17 June 2015 - 13:54.

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 10:31

is work still being done for r3?

 

Yes, I've decided to reboot the whole thing yet again.

This time with hopefully daily updates.


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 12:05

Rebootv2 - still continuing

(I've also optimized the repetitive keyshortcuts to be created with for  instead of having repetitions)

 

- ImpulseTracker Stop (F8) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker Alt-D (double-selections per multiplication of current selection) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker Alt-L (select whole channel, then all channels) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker Alt-U (unselect selection) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker Next Pattern / Previous Pattern during playback (keyboard)/(midi)

- Select Specific Track (keyboard)

- Computer Keyboard Velocity Slider (MIDI) + keyboard: Vel +1 +10 -1 -10

- Capture Nearest Instrument & Octave (keyboard)

- Joule Pattern Doubler (doubles pattern content so 64 row pattern -> 128 row pattern) (keyboard)

- Protman: Double Select Pattern / Double Select current Column Only (keyboard)

- Protman: Set Selection to Current Instrument (keyboard)

- Protman: Shrink Selection Content  (keyboard)

- Protman: Double Selection Content (keyboard)

- Protman: ImpulseTracker PageUp/PageDn (keyboard)

- Protman: Set Note Octave to 0-9 (keyboard)

- dblue Expand Pattern (keyboard)

- dblue Shrink Pattern (keyboard)

- dblue Expand Pattern + Resize pattern (keyboard)

- dblue Shrink Pattern - Resize pattern (keyboard)

- syflom/esaruoho: BPM/LPB writer to Master (keyboard)

- Clone and Shrink Pattern to LPB/2 (writes LPB / BPM to Master) (keyboard)

- Clone and Expand Pattern to LPB*2 (writes LPB / BPM to Master) (keyboard)

- Clone Current Pattern to Current Sequence (keyboard)

- Set Pattern Length to 4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512 (keyboard)/(midi)

- Display Effect Columns 1-8 (keyboard)

- Display Note Columns 1-12 (keyboard)

- Set Global LPB to 1-16, 24,32,48,64,128,256 (keyboard)

- Set Phrase LPB to 1-16, 24,32,48,64,128,256 (keyboard)

- Increase Quantization by +1 (keyboard)

- Decrease Quantization by -1 (keyboard)

- Duplicate Instrument and Select New Instrument (keyboard)

- Hide currently visible, current track External Editors (VST/AU) (plugins) (keyboard)

- Set Current Sample Loop State Off,Forward,Backward,PingPong (keyboard)

- Open External Editor for Instrument (keyboard)

- Switch between Note / Effect Columns (keyboard)

- Record Quantization On / Off (midi)


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 19:04

Reboot V2 - still continuing

- ImpulseTracker F5 (play from start) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker F2 (focus to Pattern Editor, second press hides everything (instrument box, disk browser, track scopes, pattern matrix). Third press brings it back (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker F2 Mini (only pattern editor, everything hidden) (keyboard)

- EZGrooveSettings (4 midiknobs for setting Global Groove Settings) (midi)

- ImpulseTracker F3 (brings Sample Editor to front, shows channel scopes, third press brings FX to front and shows phase etc) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker F11 (shows Mixer, second press opens automation + pattern matrix) (keyboard)

- ImpulseTracker F12 (shows Master) (keyboard)

- Paketti Record+Follow On/Off toggle (keyboard)

- Paketti Record+Follow On/Off toggle for Phrase Editor (keyboard)

- Increase BPM by +1 (keyboard)

- Decrease BPM by -1 (keyboard)

- (Pattern) Set selected-channel Delay +1/-1/+10/-10 (keyboard)/(midi)

- (Phrase) Set selected-channel Delay +1/-1/+10/-10 (keyboard)/(midi) 

- EFXWrite: Arpeggio Xy +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Arpeggio xY +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Vibrato Xy +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Vibrato xY +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Retrig Xy +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Retrig xY +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Tremolo Xy +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Tremolo xY +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Cut Volume Xy +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- EFXWrite: Cut Volume xY +1 / -1 (keyboard)

- Uncollapse/Collapser (midi/menu/keyboard)

- CapsLock replacement ( "Off" on/off) (keyboard)

- Set Current Sample to Forward Loop (keyboard)

- Set Current Sample to Backward Loop (keyboard)

- Set Current Sample to Pingpong Loop (keyboard)

- Set Current Sample to No Loop (keyboard)

- Record On / Follow Off - shortcut (keyboard)


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 04:19

sweet!



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Posted 01 September 2015 - 08:33

Added

- Enable/Disable Column Cycling Keyjazz (1-12 channels) (keyboard)

- Generate Note Delays in Column (visible-note-column-amount-dependent) (keyboard)


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 21:51

I miss -- EazyMaximizeSpectrum -- feature. It is soon easter :P

Is it still possible to code it for v3.1 ?



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Posted 10 February 2017 - 22:01

What I do now to get this effect is that I make Renoise two times bigger vertically than the screen, so then I can scale the spectrum more down to fill the screen.



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Posted 12 February 2017 - 01:41

"Easter Egg -mode" U get it ? :unsure:



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Posted 03 January 2018 - 23:18

version now compatible with 3.1.1

http://renoise.com/tools/paketti

 

been knocked up fairly quickly etc based on some twitter conversations. enjoy.

send feedback if ya like.

i have a keybindings.xml for macOS in case that matters.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 18:29

Hi, I've decided to start doing animated GIFs showing features of PakettiR3:

 

https://imgur.com/a/ql3Uf


is work still being done for r3?

 

Yup! I'm working on tweaking PakettiR3 so that it is no longer languishing from lack of attention, so any input you might have is very much appreciated!

My next step is to reimplement the 0b00 shortcut since that's pretty darn nice.

Also, I'm not entirely sure how to embed, but

 

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 18:48

Keyboard shortcut for setting Pattern Length 4-8-16-32-64-128-256-512:

 

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Posted 04 January 2018 - 22:15

96 (64+32) is also widely used.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 23:13

96 (64+32) is also widely used.

 

48, 96, 192, 384 added. will update a bit later.


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Posted 04 January 2018 - 23:26

96 (64+32) is also widely used.

 

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48, 96, 192, 384 added to phrase, pattern.


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Posted 06 January 2018 - 23:10

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The.. well Joule Pattern Doubler. Keyboard shortcut that doubles the current pattern content and moves your cursor to the right position afterwards. Pretty powerful tool.


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:05

Great stuff Esa, I'm starting to understand what is going on here. The potential is immense for speed and flow. I'm downloading it now and I'll give it some time to play with it and give you some feedback.

 

Thanks mmd! I'm back to make this work properly on R3 so it's good to see that it was somewhat grokked back then. Animated GIFs really help with making the features more understandable, and it was really ghostwerk that pulled this back from oblivion for me. Really important to know that the tool gets used, and now I feel like using it, too, knowing that there's some people who want to use it.

 

BTW, the Computer keyboard velocity mappability to pckeyboard + midiknobs (for me, crossfader on my controller) is pretty dang crucial, so thanks for sending that idea my way half a decade ago!


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 14:30

I respect the work Esa, but it is to megalomanic for me, too many things I'll never use, though there's also some stuff I'd like to check out if it'd fit in my workflow. Maybe you can consider splitting the complete package into smaller themed packs?

 

I get what you're saying. However, having shortcuts that you'll never use does not take any CPU cycles or make Renoise run slower. If you don't use them, don't map them.

 

I'll eventually create animated GIFs to most of the shortcuts, but splitting something close to 100 different shortcuts and midimappings to ~100 tools is simply not feasible. How to keep them updated? Also, what if opinions change and suddenly there's a bug discovered that goes across multiple tools, used in combination, how to fix all of them in one go? By having all the shortcuts+midibinds in the same package to start with, hence Paketti.

 

I created this tool so that Renoise could work the way I want it to - coming from an ImpulseTracker/SchismTracker planet, and there are a few people who seem to like what (some of) it does - and I fully realize that there's simply way too many shortcuts there for someone to digest at one go. But I mean, I treat this tool more like a theme or a template rather than a "do one thing, tool" type thing. It's like a voyage of discovery - how could Renoise workflow be enhanced in so many ways that hopefully some of them could be integrated into native Renoise (although looking at how we think very differently (renoise devteam & me), i don't think any of the tools in Paketti will be integrated in Renoise - so the best I can hope is that there will be more API functions. So huge thanks to the devteam for making Renoise LUA scriptable.

 

and, of course, major thanks to Brothomstates for encouraging me to look into it 7 years ago - he believed I could tackle LUA scripting when I thought it would be completely beyond me.

 

Anyway, about the massive features - the animated GIFs and video demonstrations will iron in why they were made in the first place. 

 

I will eventually write documentation for this - once all the features work exactly the way I want them to. For instance, ALT-L / CMD-L semi-works but still has issues. I'm yet to figure out how to implement most of those IT/ST3 shortcuts in Phrase Editor - and there are limitations in the Renoise API v5 that make it difficult to accomplish some things.


With so many functions I think you need some kind of settings GUI that allows users to add the functions they want to have available to key map. You could also organise the functions by category and have a filtered list. I think this will help users keep track of all the functions better and pick the ones that suit them, especially if they don't have some of the VST's listed etc.

I have done a mockup of how this could look.

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Hope it helps.

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This mockup you posted is no longer there. Do you still have it? Also, there is the distinct difficulty of keyboard settings across PC/Mac - how to create the definitive Paketti-KeyBindings.xml that would work in PC/Mac without issues? I realize the need to throttle the features, to have GUI or config files that hide those pesky, annoying keyboard shortcuts that you really don't want to see - and I've seen three or five or more people go "too many shortcuts" - but I have to ask, do you guys live in the Keyboard settings window in Renoise Preferences? Cos I don't - I only open it when I need to bind a new shortcut, or switch.. 

 

Now, VST/AU would be really cool to get going - to have a GUI open that enables or disables specific ones, but then - what happens when you uninstall something, or install something, would it need some sort of scanning feature, too?

 

I think eventually VST/AU/Native EFX could be made into a GUI that enables or disables them - but this still does not solve the usecase where if I send someone a KeyBindings.xml, it will automatically get broken by Renoise because certain shortcuts are not enabled by default.

 

I've had to fight with this on my own for a while, because if I have a KeyBindings.xml on my iCloud Drive, and load Renoise (which I set to automatically save/load the KeyBindings.xml to/from iCloud Drive) - without Paketti and other tools installed, the bindings get destroyed (very destructive!)


I miss -- EazyMaximizeSpectrum -- feature. It is soon easter :P

Is it still possible to code it for v3.1 ?

 

Hi, I'd like to get EZMaximizeSpectrum and EZMaximizeDiskBrowser back, too, but not sure how to accomplish it since the API v5 does not allow for it. - if it does, then I'm missing how it is done.


What I do now to get this effect is that I make Renoise two times bigger vertically than the screen, so then I can scale the spectrum more down to fill the screen.

 

Hi, I'd love to know more about this - can you show a screenshot?

 

PS I've had to start using View Presets in order to place Keyboard Focus on Disk Browser - I could find no way of doing it in Renoise API v5.


By the way, when I might add something:

 

What until now no one did (AFAIK) is an equivalent to the "edit step - move to next row with note" command,

but for the fx column. (i.e. edit step - move to next row with pattern effect) which would be uber-useful.

Maybe it's that hard to do, I dont know. 

Best,

tL.

 

 

Hi tL One - there's one issue with this, to me, it feels like this would require the usage of notifiers, and I'm yet to master them completely (or at all). I think a native solution would probably be better.

but I'm wondering if Renoise3 already actually does this? I have set Note Step to 8 and when I input a effect command in the effect column, the cursor goes down by 8?


I miss -- EazyMaximizeSpectrum -- feature. It is soon easter :P

Is it still possible to code it for v3.1 ?

 

 

I am only able to create a spectrum at this size - unfortunately.  and this by hand, not by scripting. Could you tell me if you're able to get a larger one going?
 

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What I do now to get this effect is that I make Renoise two times bigger vertically than the screen, so then I can scale the spectrum more down to fill the screen.

 

haa.. ouch. i'm not seeing how to do this with macOSX ?


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Posted 07 January 2018 - 15:04

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I can do this in Ubuntu and Windows. I found out this when improvising and live recording this video.

 

Oh , is Mac screen that strict?