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#1 spacecult

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 03:37

Not trying to sound spammy, but really, Pinao roll made by IL, so tops there, plus modular VST audio and MIDI routing (maybe only one channel, not sure yet) and is working well (in a betaish way) inside Renoise and is free? Maybe I'm confused and still feeling a bit wtf but seems to be permanent freebie vst but have to sign up for their forums to get the beta, look for 'Minihost Modular'. Looking very awesome so far!

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 04:05

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:43

wow, their forum is a total clusterfuck.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 05:46

Not trying to sound spammy, but really, Pinao roll made by IL, so tops there, plus modular VST audio and MIDI routing (maybe only one channel, not sure yet) and is working well (in a betaish way) inside Renoise and is free? Maybe I'm confused and still feeling a bit wtf but seems to be permanent freebie vst but have to sign up for their forums to get the beta, look for 'Minihost Modular'. Looking very awesome so far!

[swear piano roll misspell was an accident]


Yup, in this KVR thread it's confirmed to be free, even beyond beta.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:16

Yup, in this KVR thread it's confirmed to be free, even beyond beta.


That's very cool, then. Going to look at this much harder over the weekend, but maybe will solve some Renoise stuff for me. Kind of odd twist, if an fl 'redux' ends up keeping me in renoise more. Liked it, so far.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 06:53

that's pretty neat - working in win7 x86

Now all the devs have to do is give us internal midi routing and they won't have to hear about stupid piano rolls ever again!
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 18:41

This is just one of the many reasons that I have decided to leave Renoise and move to FL Studio.
I tried the demo over a month ago and bought the Signature edition in the Christmas special offer, dirt cheap for all the amazing stuff you get with it. The workflow is SO much easier than in Renoise. I can so easily double or triple up VSTs using the Layer method (http://howtomakeelec...eads-sound-huge), I can use Blue Arp so easily, I can give each Pattern Clip a name, I can SEE what notes are in each pattern clip (depending on the level of zoom I use, so I can easily shrink things down in the playlist if I have lots of tracks, or lots of pattern clips), I can use the keyboard shortcuts to really quickly select which pattern clip I want to paste in, the piano roll (I haven't used a piano roll for over ten years probably) is incredible - everything is so easy to do, copying notes, moving blocks of notes left and right by step, moving notes up and down by note, or by octave, all easy to do by keyboard shortcuts:
http://www.image-lin...s_shortcuts.htm

Within ten minutes of using FL Studio for the first time, I had written a short song, just as good as the sort of thing I'd produce in ten minutes on Renoise. After about five hours of use, maybe ten, I produced this, my best song yet:




Good luck with the pattern matrix, I'm free of it all now. I've never had so much fun writing music as I do in FL Studio. Sorry, but it wipes the floor with Renoise.

Edited by XG2003, 01 February 2014 - 00:55.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 18:45

Wow this is soo cool :)/> It's Buzz inside any OSX daw, but also for midi manipulation! Ingenious. If this host works stable I would also buy it. Sure it will be free??

This modular concept is so much more powerful than the oldschool mixer approach!

EDIT: Oh lord, no OSX version!! Why the hell a developer should first publish a Windows version? Something strange going on there...

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 18:56

FL Studio.

We're glad you found something that works for you. Best of luck with your music in the future.
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Posted 31 January 2014 - 21:06

The workflow is SO much easier than in Renoise.


FL Studio has a terrible mixer and pdc, has no API for custom tools, and won't even display parameter values until you've actually moved a knob or fader. It also has several annoying bugs that the devs just refuse to fix :lol:/>/>

Edited by esp81, 31 January 2014 - 21:16.

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 21:54

32Bit / 64Bit versions:
Minihost Modular 32 Bit loads 32 Bit plugins while Minihost Modular 64 Bit loads 64 Bit plugins. There currently is no 32 to 64 Bit bridging possible inside Minihost Modular. You can, of course, load either the 32 or 64 bit VST version in hosts that support both bit-depths such as FL Studio and even run both Stand-alone versions simultaneously.


thats pretty cool, seems that they made it for renoise :lol:/>

We're glad you found something that works for you. Best of luck with your music in the future.


yea dblue and the future will proof the renoise team...old software gets even older over time - and "yo dawg" doesnt help here ;-)

Edited by kolacell, 31 January 2014 - 21:55.


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Posted 31 January 2014 - 21:57

You can achieve the same (until now) with the Dresden motherfuckers meta plug-in.... ;) as you could have before.... http://ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 21:59

You can achieve the same (until now) with the Dresden motherfuckers meta plug-in.... ;)/> as you could have before.... http://ddmf.eu/product.php?id=3


didnt know they have a piano roll ;)

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Posted 31 January 2014 - 22:38

yea dblue and the future will proof the renoise team...old software gets even older over time - and "yo dawg" doesnt help here

You seem to be responding to me sarcastically, but I was actually being sincere towards XG2003. I'm genuinely happy that he's found a comfortable workflow to express himself musically, even if that workflow does not involve Renoise.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 00:23

OK... y'all don't have to be all Y00 about it. Renoise and FL can both be awesome at the same time. :D

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 00:41

You seem to be responding to me sarcastically, but I was actually being sincere towards XG2003. I'm genuinely happy that he's found a comfortable workflow to express himself musically, even if that workflow does not involve Renoise.


Thankyou Dblue, I appreciate it, good luck to those of you who enjoy using Renoise, I just found something more suited to me.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 01:20

GL XG. Maybe you'll get some use out of Redux?

Anywho this seems cool, I'll check it out, though I've sorta migrated away from plugins since I first started Renoising. For those that have used both, how does this compare to bidule?

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 08:23

FL Studio has a terrible mixer and pdc, has no API for custom tools, and won't even display parameter values until you've actually moved a knob or fader. It also has several annoying bugs that the devs just refuse to fix :lol:/>/>/>/>/>


FL Studio version 12+ is supposed to slowly get rid of the old ugly grey UI and change a lot of workflow and other things around, mostly making a new-yet-familiar DAW. IL mentioned about it being directed towards touchscreen interface instead of mouse (for Windows 8 notebooks and tablets). I'm really curious to see what happens, since I do have an active FL license and a windows tablet. FL Studio Groove is pretty fun and I feel like once they allow users to import samples it will become my favorite tool for rhythm-based music. If FL Studio 12 is a high-powered version of that, I'm excited for it.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:48

GL XG. Maybe you'll get some use out of Redux?

Anywho this seems cool, I'll check it out, though I've sorta migrated away from plugins since I first started Renoising. For those that have used both, how does this compare to bidule?


As far as the 'modular' part, much more comparable to Machine View in Buzz.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 13:16

Thankyou Dblue, I appreciate it, good luck to those of you who enjoy using Renoise, I just found something more suited to me.


I can't believe in the eleven years (at least) you've been making music you apparently never tried a sequencer.. :blink:/>
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 16:11

I just installed the 64bit version of minihost, Renoise throws this error when I try to load it:


"Ouch. The VST plugin 'Image-Line: IL Minihost Modular (from Image-Line)' crashed in VST event/function: 'Dispatch', Thread: 'GUI'

IMPORTANT: This is a fatal error. Please save the current document under a !new! name to prevent losing important data. Renoise will silently ignore any following errors from this plug-in.

DO NOT IGNORE THIS ERROR; DO NOT CONTINUE USING THE PLUGIN. THIS CAN DESTROY YOUR SONG OR CAUSE OTHER RANDOM CRASHES AND PROBLEMS!

It's most likely that this is a bug in the VST plugin, so please report this problem to the authors of this plugin in order to get the problem fixed!"

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 18:27

I can't believe in the eleven years (at least) you've been making music you apparently never tried a sequencer.. Posted Image/>


There was a time where sequencers were instable beyond bearable levels. That made you drop 'm pretty fast.
Cubase was a two-days endeavor and after having lost two mediocre post productions (getting multiple tracks correctly synchronized after recording and then figure out your own pace wasn't tight enough) during a few incredible crashes, i gave up on it.
That was 18 years ago. In 2001, when i got a light edition along with my midi keyboard, i tried to go for it again in the hope lots of stuff improved, well, lots of stuff did improved, but unfortunately still not the crashing part.
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Posted 01 February 2014 - 18:56

There was a time where sequencers were instable beyond bearable levels. That made you drop 'm pretty fast.
Cubase was a two-days endeavor and after having lost two mediocre post productions (getting multiple tracks correctly synchronized after recording and then figure out your own pace wasn't tight enough) during a few incredible crashes, i gave up on it.
That was 18 years ago. In 2001, when i got a light edition along with my midi keyboard, i tried to go for it again in the hope lots of stuff improved, well, lots of stuff did improved, but unfortunately still not the crashing part.
You quit trying eventually.


Yeah, if you wanted to (or could only afford to) be ITB then for a long time trackers were the only way to do sampling and sequencing without having to buy hardware samplers. I didn't even consider conventional sequencers seriously until around 2000 when VSTi's started to become popular.

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 19:58

I just installed the 64bit version of minihost, Renoise throws this error when I try to load it


why did i espect this? :wacko:/> (and now try it in ableton...)

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 20:42

Hope they'll eventually add the cool stuff to the piano roll-- quantize/arp/chop tricks. Seems like it's just a multisampler with a piano roll right now. Really cool that they're developing this though AND giving it way. Props.