ASIO Help!! Sound Chops!! RAM, SSD, CPU, Drivers ?

Hello…

Renoise doesn’t get alongwith my pc configuration or these vst instrument…

Multiple strings or strumming instrument are nearly impossible to play together.

CPU usage starts increasing until sound breaks…

I’m using a creative xfi xtrememusic.

Creative ASIO driver, ASIO4all & steinberg generic low latency ASIO driver have been

checked. Steinberg ASIO driver produces the best results but sound still chops.

I tried to reduce CPU usage by upgrading RAM from 8 to 16Gb and the hard drive to SSD,

but still the same

the pc configuration is:

OS. windows 8.1 x64

CPU. AMD 8-Core 3.1Ghz

RAM. 16Gb

AUDIO. creative xfi xtrememusic

HDD. Samsung SSD (ahci)

Please, any idea about this issue??

try if you have that issues with integrated soundcard and asio4all drivers, your pc is above ultra power

try run vst in sandboxes or maybe optimize your system,http://us.focusrite.com/answerbase/optimising-your-pc-for-audio-on-windows-8

Hello…

Renoise doesn’t get alongwith my pc configuration or these vst instrument…

Multiple strings or strumming instrument are nearly impossible to play together.

CPU usage starts increasing until sound breaks…

I’m using a creative xfi xtrememusic.

Creative ASIO driver, ASIO4all & steinberg generic low latency ASIO driver have been

checked. Steinberg ASIO driver produces the best results but sound still chops.

I tried to reduce CPU usage by upgrading RAM from 8 to 16Gb and the hard drive to SSD,

but still the same

If your VST plugins are all synth plugins, i would check how much CPU resources they draw, if you have multiple instances of Synth vst plugins that all require a certain amount of CPU, LOLFail’s tip might do the trick, but also only until your CPU hits the ceiling.
But i would in that case also expect you to have experienced Renoise autopanicing because of crossing a CPU threshold there (default is 80% and over).

How much latency do you set it? Increasing audio buffers might really do the trick here. If no ASIO driver is able to produce satisfactory results, the audiocard simply doesn’t has the juice to cut it for the latency settings you have currently set it to.

And even though Creative is not the cheapest brand, imho: they produce audiocards merely for games, but not music production.

Thanks for your answers, but this is getting “worse”

As Lolfail suggested, I tried to use the integrated audio card…

but, surprise no sound is coming out… Pc to the store again…

Summing up…my asrock 970 extreme4 onboard audio card is broken

should i buy a soundcard or a motherboard?

My nearest store has some asus and creative soundcards.

https://www.pccomponentes.com/tarjetas_sonido.html

Please !! Any Advice?

about synth vst. I would say I always use sample vst, like lass2,

amplesound guitars,colossus, vintage native drums…

If I use guitars, lass2 and whatever more…

if it doesnt crash at first, cpu keeps increasing till it crash

tomorrow i’ll go to take back the pc with new soundcard

or new motherboard? please

seems like others have had the same problem
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/304272-30-sound-asrock-extreme4-audio-asrock-extreme4

You need to try different settings in ASIO4ALL, did you click the parachute icon and take note of the settings, then mess with the settings?

Does Renoise have a CPU meter that shows how many resources are being used by plugins as well as the program itself?

tomorrow ill bring back the pc and tests will continue

http://www.renoise.com/sites/default/files/images/screenshots/pattern-matrix-300.png
there just one cpu % in the upper right next to the close X

Hi everyone…

I’m back with the pc (onboard audio broken).

Testing with creative xfi xtrememusic.

I don’t have a clue about what is going on here…

I’ve test 2048 latency samples with asi4all

When sound is completely broken,

these are the consume percentages:

Renoise CPU indicator: 99.9%

System Resources monitor:

CPU: 24%

RAM: 23%

Some details I forgot:

The test has been made with

  • Windows 8.1 x64

  • Renoise 2.8 x64

  • Asio4all 2.11 with 2048 samples

  • Sample Rate: 48.000

  • 2 heavy + 3 light vst instruments + vst effects

When sound starts everything is ok…

  • system cpu start increasing from 3 and stays in 24%
  • ram is at 24% before play and stays in 24%
  • renoise CPU indicator is at 4% and keep increasing, reaching 75% errors start

at 99,9% sound iscompletely broken.

(omg i’m so exhausted with all these)

I assume you have alreay tried tweaking the sample buffer setting (which you have now set to 2048, which may be a bit too much so I would try lowering it). anyway, don’t expect super performances with ASIO4ALL, as it is another level of abstraction over the communication between your soundcard and Renoise, which is exactly the opposite of what ASIO was intended for.

any decent modern soundcard which supports ASIO should be able to perform better with its proprietary ASIO diverse instead of ASIO4ALL.

as I told you privately, I can’t give you any suggestion regarding the currently available soundcards, since my one is rather old, but I think that any new device should be good, as long it is not Firewire and possibly not USB too

bad performances can also be caused by the way you create your songs. which may go against the concept of multiprocessor use in Renoise: see https://forum.renoise.com/t/multicore-faq/19732 for more information regarding this

try removing one heavy plugin at a time, saving your project as a new name. could be a plugin.

also, there are 2 settings that are important in asio4all, kernel buffer or hardware buffer. at some point, asio4all has not been working so well for me so i just stopped using it, but i do recall one of those modes working better than the other, and i think it varies.

lower your latency in asio4all to 512 or 1024 like IT Alien said. Then try the different buffer modes, moving the sliders. anything different? worse or better?

Like IT Alien said, try to get the Creative ASIO driver

do you have it installed? the latest driver appears to be this one, released on 28 mar 14:

Filnamn : SBXF_PCDRV_L11_2_30_0004.exe

This download is a driver providing Microsoft® Windows® support for Creative Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ series of audio devices. This software includes support for Windows 8.1 (32-bit and 64-bit). For more details, read the rest of this web release note.

This download supports the following audio devices only:

  • Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty® Professional Series
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeMusic
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi Fatal1ty
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro

Added Features or Enhancements:

  • Multiple fixes that improve the driver’s overall stability and performance.

Requirements:

  • Microsoft Windows 8.1 32-bit or 64-bit, Windows 8 32-bit or 64-bit, Windows 7 32-bit or 64-bit, Windows Vista® 32-bit or 64-bit with Service Pack 1 or higher, Windows XP Professional x64 Edition or Windows XP with Service Pack 2 or higher, Windows XP Media Center Edition (MCE) 2004 or later
  • Sound Blaster X-Fi audio devices listed above

Notes:

  • Do not install this driver for Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio.
  • To install this driver
  1. Download theSBXF_PCDRV_L11_2_30_0004.exefile onto your local hard disk.
  2. Double-click the downloaded file.
  3. Follow the instructions on the screen.

Change the PCI slot, then the IRQs will be different.

HI, I’m back with more testing…

asio4all(also checked tweaks), creative asio and steinberg asio… low, high buffers

all of them crashed… I feel steinberg last longer…

If I turn off all effects, sound became stable again, renoise CPU stays in something 89%

and sometimes sound makes little breaks

If I turn off the heavy vsti, I can turn on effects…

I know reverb effects like virsyn’s are high consumers…

but please, there might be something I could do

to use that nearly 70% CPU & RAM available

I will end up buying somewhat not cheap soundcard just to try?

it-alien, though I’ve read the link you posted, I don’t understand about the conflict between

the way a song is constructed and the sound performance…

is about channels?

is about the effects? a specific order the should have?

i’m totally lost

what does steinbergs ASIO have to do with a creative card? where did you get that?

I have googled this issue for you, and I have read that the creative ASIO driver is in the latest creative sound card driver for your soundcard.

have you installed the latest (march 2014) driver for your creative sound card? This is the filename, which you should be able to find on google, at the creative website. SBXF_PCDRV_L11_2_30_0004.exe

uninstall every asio driver except creative’s driver, uninstall asio4all, install the latest driver for your creative sound card, restart your computer, set up your audio device in renoise preferences.

Even before I installed win8.1x64, I had prepared creative

drivers (sbfx pcdrv l11 2 30 0004) from creative website.

Tests started with just the creative asio installed.

As all of you have noticed, i dont have much idead…

so when I started having sound problem long time ago… I thought I could try

another asio driver, like the one I use on laptops for live playing, asio4all…

And after installing cubase I found I had another asio driver, "generic low latency

asio griver", so I decided to try this aswell.

None of them can stand all the vsti and effects…

Due to my low knowledge, the only way I have to trust one above the others, is

by listening how long the sound keeps without breaking… And though it may sound

nonsense, steinberg asio driver seems to work a little better than the others.

about the multicore support, this is the tricky part:

Renoise has to split your song int “independent streams” that the CPUs can then handle separately. In complex songs with a lot of send tracks and devices this limits the sharing capabilities a bit, which means that the performance is not very well balanced.

if I have understood you well, you are testing using always the same song. this song may be designed so that only one of your CPU cores gets used (you could use Windows’ Task Manager in order to check this).

anyway, there seems to be some driver issue with your current setup (assuming that your song is actually light enough to be played with your PC). in such case, it is of course very hard for us to help you other than giving you general tips as the other users have already done above

do you have your windows 8 set up to deliver 100% of your processors performance?

try these steps:

http://smallbusiness.chron.com/prevent-drops-cpu-speed-70828.html

Deactivating wireless lan and the web cam maybe a cure, too.

Check out http://www.resplendence.com/latencymon as well.

check ctrl+alt+del to look at the cpu usage. i’ll bet only one cpu is hitting 100 because multiprocessing isnt engaged or something.