Jump to content


Photo

Where can I find quality Renoise XRNI instruments?


  • Please log in to reply
11 replies to this topic

#1 linq

linq

    New Member

  • Normal Members
  • Pip
  • 3 posts

Posted 09 November 2014 - 18:53

I absolutely love Renoise. I come from a digital composing background, with fond memories of AdLib Tracker 2. I haven't once regretted my decision to purchase Renoise, and I recommend it at every opportunity.

 

Although I started out making chiptune-style music, I'm interested in branching out to other genres. I'm looking for polyphonic and realistic instruments that make use of more effects. I'd like to explore composing classical music. But I don't know where to start looking for good XRNIs. The ones that come with Renoise are so limited.

 

Some people out there might suggest that I pick up a commercial DAW with more marketshare, but I'd rather work in a familiar tracker interface that even gives me API access to write my own interface extensions (I could go on with many of the other wonderful features in Renoise). I'd like to test to see if the tracker workflow can be applied to music of high quality classical music.

 

Here are some examples of some of the types of instruments that I'm looking for:

  • Realistic orchestral instruments: Brass, woodwinds, strings, percussion.
  • Hip-hop instruments: lead, drums.
  • Dub-step instruments: lead, drums.
  • Synth instruments: lead, pad, bass, drums.

One last thought regarding VSTs: I much prefer working with XRNIs wherever possible because they're more portable (I'm working on a collaboration with someone who may not have access to certain VSTs). Also, with XRNIs there's no configuration necessary to ensure that an external plugin is set up properly.

 

I'm willing to pay for quality XRNIs if that's the best option available. Thanks for your suggestions, and I hope you'll pardon my rant.


  • SiG likes this

#2 Meef Chaloin

Meef Chaloin

    Big GrandDaddy Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 478 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 09 November 2014 - 20:12

For orchestral sounds you could use the samples from the Sonatina sample set and load them in to Renoise and make your own instruments with them, possibly looking at the sfz files for hints about key mapping and stuff - http://sso.mattiaswestlund.net/

 

There are quite a few other free and open source sample sets like this around: 

 

http://download.linu...ment-libraries/

http://wiki.linuxaud...font_collection

http://www.bandshed.net/sounds/


  • artfwo and Neurogami like this


#3 peanatsu

peanatsu

    New Member

  • Normal Members
  • Pip
  • 3 posts

Posted 11 November 2014 - 17:32

I don't think renoise instruments are well-suited for acoustic instruments. But since renoise is a sampler, the obvious answer to your question is "use samples" and fuck around with the instrument-capabilities to get the sound you want.

 

 

When 3.0 came out, I thought I'd give the xrni-format another try. I wanted to create a sample-based instrument for my favourite ZynAddSubFX patch (dxrhodes 2). Now, ZynAddSubFX' envelopes have a stretch parameter that compresses the envelope (in time) for higher notes.

 

This models the behaviour of acoustic instruments that produce sounds via a resonant-body that is excited by strings. (A piano or a guitar, for example.) Since a short string vibrating has less energy than a long string vibrating, the higher notes on a piano/guitar decay faster. (I think that's why, at any rate.)

 

I couldn't get this effect in renoise, since you can't adjust envelope-decay by key-tracking. I tried a workaround by using two key-trackers after the envelope: the first one subtracting, the second one multiplying. That roughly emulates the effect, but to my knowledge it's impossible to fine-tune this properly, and the coarse effect was just too much.

 

Here's the patch without the key-tracking hackery: Attached File  asdf.xrni   618.01KB   92 downloads

The low- and mid-range is perfectly playable, but the high-end sounds like an organ.

If anyone knows how to fix this, please let me know.

(One obvious way would be to use longer samples. I.e., actually sample Zyn's volume envelope at least for the higher notes. But this seems a bit clunky.)

 

So, long story short: xrni is still fairly limited depending on what your needs are.

 

 

I much prefer working with XRNIs wherever possible because they're more portable

 

I would say Kontakt instruments are the most portable (excluding the poor folks stuck on linux). You can use them in almost any DAW, and the Kontakt player is free.

And in terms of versatility/features/available libraries: there's a reason Kontakt is the industry standard. (It's the same reason Kontakt costs more than 5 times as much as renoise.)


Edited by peanatsu, 11 November 2014 - 17:36.

  • fladd likes this

#4 danoise

danoise

    Probably More God or Borg Than Human Member

  • Renoise Team
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 6473 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Berlin
  • Interests:wildlife + urban trekking

Posted 11 November 2014 - 18:45

For orchestral sounds you could use the samples from the Sonatina sample set and load them in to Renoise and make your own instruments with them, possibly looking at the sfz files for hints about key mapping and stuff - http://sso.mattiaswestlund.net/

 

Sonatina is an awesome library - if you're planning to use them in Renoise they already got converted:

https://github.com/j...master/Sonatina


  • Neurogami and Mivo like this

Tracking with Stuff. API wishlist | Soundcloud


#5 Meef Chaloin

Meef Chaloin

    Big GrandDaddy Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 478 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 11 November 2014 - 19:03

Sonatina is an awesome library - if you're planning to use them in Renoise they already got converted:

https://github.com/j...master/Sonatina

 

 

Oh wow, thanks for that link. 


Edited by Meef Chaloin, 11 November 2014 - 19:03.

  • Neurogami likes this


#6 Akiz

Akiz

    Guruh Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 971 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 12 November 2014 - 00:44

...
When 3.0 came out, I thought I'd give the xrni-format another try. I wanted to create a sample-based instrument for my favourite ZynAddSubFX patch (dxrhodes 2). Now, ZynAddSubFX' envelopes have a stretch parameter that compresses the envelope (in time) for higher notes.

 

This models the behaviour of acoustic instruments that produce sounds via a resonant-body that is excited by strings. (A piano or a guitar, for example.) Since a short string vibrating has less energy than a long string vibrating, the higher notes on a piano/guitar decay faster. (I think that's why, at any rate.)

 

I couldn't get this effect in renoise, since you can't adjust envelope-decay by key-tracking. I tried a workaround by using two key-trackers after the envelope: the first one subtracting, the second one multiplying. That roughly emulates the effect, but to my knowledge it's impossible to fine-tune this properly, and the coarse effect was just too much.

 

...

I never thought about combination of substraction and multiplation, thank you! Something fresh...
My workaround for simulated acoustic instruments (mainly brass) was linking macro to a decay of volume (or another parameter) and then assigning a key-tracker to this macro.



#7 Mivo

Mivo

    Local Chief Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPip
  • 203 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Germany

Posted 12 November 2014 - 21:09

Sonatina is an awesome library - if you're planning to use them in Renoise they already got converted:

https://github.com/j...master/Sonatina

 

Didn't know about these. Thanks for the link!



#8 Carbonthief

Carbonthief

    Guruh Motha Fakka is Levitating and Knows Everything About Renoise Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 1077 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 13 November 2014 - 00:06

For synth instruments your best bet is probably just finding quality samples and sampling plugins rather than look for instruments already in XRNI format, since it's not a widely used format (but everyone uses .wav's).  Do check out our downloads section though, there is a lot of cool stuff in there.

 

If you ever need acoustic drums, Drumdrops offers all their kits in .xrni format.  I built them myself actually in exchange for getting the samples for free.  They have a free kit (the Yamaha single hits kit which has 3 velocity layers per articulation as opposed to the full version which has like 12-16 depending) you can try, and all their kits are pretty cheap.

 

The Sonatina is cool but it's not exactly going to be a complete scoring solution.  Unless you just need something quick and simple, imo you're going to have to spend quite a bit of money in order to get good quality orchestral instruments, and they're going to be plugins not XRNI's.



#9 TheBellows

TheBellows

    Guruh Motha Fakka is Levitating and Knows Everything About Renoise Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2430 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Oslo, Norway
  • Interests:Jepp

Posted 13 November 2014 - 18:28

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Downloads section? You know the absolutely incredible source of goodies at the top there on the left?

It has 56 instruments at the moment and new ones are added all the time.  ;)


Edited by TheBellows, 13 November 2014 - 18:31.

  • shadowpsyc likes this

 

Join the Mutant Breaks #10 competition: http://forum.renoise.com/index.php/topic/50588-mutant-breaks-10/

 

Deadline: Sunday, December 10th, 2017.   :badteethslayer: 


#10 mevla

mevla

    Advanced Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPip
  • 106 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 14 December 2014 - 18:02

Why hasn't anyone mentioned the Downloads section? You know the absolutely incredible source of goodies at the top there on the left?

It has 56 instruments at the moment and new ones are added all the time.  ;)

 

Well quality NASA sounds, quality Computer Code Generator, quality My Voice, quality Granutella, quality Alien White Keys and such might not mean exactly the same 'quality' as the subject line.  Even the Sonatina sounds, while being nice, are not so much good.  I would also pay for high quality sounds, but by that I do not mean high quality door slams, squirrel squeaks and C64 beeps.  :) I rather mean real instruments, expressive and top notch sampling.



#11 TheBellows

TheBellows

    Guruh Motha Fakka is Levitating and Knows Everything About Renoise Member

  • Normal Members
  • PipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPipPip
  • 2430 posts
  • Gender:Male
  • Location:Oslo, Norway
  • Interests:Jepp

Posted 16 December 2014 - 16:55

 

 

 

Well quality NASA sounds, quality Computer Code Generator, quality My Voice, quality Granutella, quality Alien White Keys and such might not mean exactly the same 'quality' as the subject line.  Even the Sonatina sounds, while being nice, are not so much good.  I would also pay for high quality sounds, but by that I do not mean high quality door slams, squirrel squeaks and C64 beeps.  :) I rather mean real instruments, expressive and top notch sampling.

Most of them are probably not made by professional audio engineers, but how do one really define high quality samples? 

 

Danoise just released some high quality waveforms here: http://forum.renoise...-1/#entry324819

 

It would be nice if more professional sample companies released in xrni format though. Drumdrops are the only ones i've bought from that releases xrni, but i think it's pretty high quality.


Edited by TheBellows, 16 December 2014 - 17:16.

 

Join the Mutant Breaks #10 competition: http://forum.renoise.com/index.php/topic/50588-mutant-breaks-10/

 

Deadline: Sunday, December 10th, 2017.   :badteethslayer: 


#12 dietmer

dietmer

    New Member

  • Normal Members
  • Pip
  • 2 posts
  • Gender:Male

Posted 21 October 2017 - 20:23

sorry to bump an old topic but i too have been searching high and low for normal GM/ JV1080 type sounds for renoise

www.dskmusic.com has a nice selection of sfz formatted sounds. $25 might be worth it. i'll give it a try next month