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#1 Akiz

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Posted 30 November 2015 - 10:19

Hi,

i´ve tried TAL-Sampler and its DAC emulations are amazing!
I dont wanna new sampler and i prefer Renoise / Redux workflow more. So i am looking for some VST effect that does simillar thing. 

Ive tried LoFizer, Mbitfun and some other distortion (bitreduction) effects and none of them creates so smooth and grainy sound that Tal-Sampler can (it adds nice tail to the sounds...). I am absolutely amazed what it does to kick drums for example.

Do you have any tips? Ive heard that D16 bitcrusher can do some nic things to drums. What are your tools? Thanks

 


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:11

try this one

http://www.toneboost...tb-timemachine/



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 11:36

Good tip, for now i will get the free version that i skipped during my tests. But it lacks saturation.
http://www.vst4free....machine&id=2068

But 19e is very nice price. 


Edit: Yeah! Even the free version does this better than anything ive tried (in the freeware world). But it is different than Tal modes, not better or worst. 


 


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 14:49

Decimort (by D16 guys) is fantastic and is in my opinion the best crusher/lofi plug out there, you're right, it's amazing on drums. Their other plugs are just as good (though I only own Decimort, have tried demos of the others).


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Posted 30 November 2015 - 14:52

The TAL one is special as its not just an effect at the end of processing chain on all the samples but effects each individual one like it would in a real old school sampler.

 

I use the lo fi mat quite subtly and it sounds pretty good too. Not multi band like decimort though



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 20:42

8-Bit Shaper and DeltaModulator by Xfer Records are pretty nice: https://xferrecords.com/freeware



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 22:09

Haven't tried TAL-Sampler yet so no idea if they're anything similar but I sometimes use this for making things sound old:

 

http://www.kvraudio....-solcito-m-sica



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Posted 30 November 2015 - 23:42

The TAL one is special as its not just an effect at the end of processing chain on all the samples but effects each individual one like it would in a real old school sampler.

 

I use the lo fi mat quite subtly and it sounds pretty good too. Not multi band like decimort though

You can do it very well in renoise. I just prefer its workflow a lot more.
Tried decimort, GREAT! And works nicely in demo mode for resampling ;). Small gui though...


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Posted 01 December 2015 - 09:22

Plogue's Chipcrusher does something similar I think.  http://www.plogue.co...ts/chipcrusher/

 

I wonder how different encoder laws affect the situation, if it's the key cause of a good sound, doing a Tool to do such encoding (linear pcm to lower-bit mu-law and back) shouldn't be too hard.



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Posted 01 December 2015 - 10:05

Well, in a similar attempt, I made this: http://forum.renoise.../file/341-grit/

 

It most certainly does not sound as good as the TAL sampler, though :-(

 

It is also only a Lofimat followed by some saturation, so that is to be expected.

 

If others, with some more skills, however, could come up with a better doofer I would be very happy actually.

 

Anyone interested in improving on this, to have a great "old sampler" doofer?



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Posted 01 December 2015 - 18:15

I have no idea if this is anything near what you're looking for, but it could be useful sometime perhaps? http://forum.renoise...7-drum-crusher/



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Posted 02 December 2015 - 00:06

i loved my S900 for this. variable rate sampling and a lovely crunchy preamp, mint.

 

never really found a software that quite got there. Decimort had a similar character but was harsher and more 'hollow' sounding on most sources.

 

Chipcrusher is great for crazy super lo fi experimental stuff, way more possibilities than an older hardware unit.

 

I'm going to have to try Tal sampler now, their Juno60/SH101 emus are top notch.

 

I'd LOVE to see these kind of features in Renoises native sampler, I know we have the different resampling algos but they're not really designed for funky abuse...


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 08:16

Timemachine that i linked before has Akai S01 preset so you can make comparation. 

I have to try Chipcrusher yet..

Btw another free posibility is resampling via Somic Charge Cyclone that has nice DAC emulation. 


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Posted 02 December 2015 - 18:55

A bit of a radical suggestion: I have an old Roland S-550 (12 bit sampler from the 90s) that I paid around $40 for a few years ago, when I want the "real" old crunchy 12 bit sound I sometimes sample stuff with that instead. Mostly I use Decimort for those duties, but those old samplers are still around and a lot of them can be got for very very cheap, cheaper than plugins that emulate them sometimes. Pretty easy once you learn the old sampler's workflow.

 

Cyclone is pretty cool but you have to program it like an actual old TX16W, which can be kind of inconvenient (I mean, you might as well use a real old sampler in that case imo)


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 10:16

A bit of a radical suggestion: I have an old Roland S-550 (12 bit sampler from the 90s) that I paid around $40 for a few years ago, when I want the "real" old crunchy 12 bit sound I sometimes sample stuff with that instead. Mostly I use Decimort for those duties, but those old samplers are still around and a lot of them can be got for very very cheap, cheaper than plugins that emulate them sometimes. Pretty easy once you learn the old sampler's workflow.

 

Cyclone is pretty cool but you have to program it like an actual old TX16W, which can be kind of inconvenient (I mean, you might as well use a real old sampler in that case imo)

Yeah, but Cyclone is free :-]

btw. http://anyrecordings...sher-index.html
This one is very nice distortion / bitcrusher. It is much more brutal than Decimort but you can get very nice (and not static!) results from this thing.


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Posted 08 December 2015 - 12:29

Cyclone takes computer keyboard inputs as well, navigating the menus is surprisingly fast if you get used to it (it's like using a DOS program). Also it has a preview mode, once a sample is recorded it's instantly transpose-able by midi notes. Plus AIFF import/export, it's a nice resampling tool.



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 13:07

Btw.

 

http://www.kvraudio....t-crusher-31918



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Posted 09 December 2015 - 17:32

Haven't tried TAL-Sampler yet so no idea if they're anything similar but I sometimes use this for making things sound old:

 

http://www.kvraudio....-solcito-m-sica

It is nice. It can make job done.



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Posted 21 December 2015 - 11:30

Whoa! This one sounds great on drums.
http://bedroomproduc...ntrolr-sbaudio/

 



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Posted 21 December 2015 - 11:32

You can do it very well in renoise. I just prefer its workflow a lot more.
Tried decimort, GREAT! And works nicely in demo mode for resampling ;). Small gui though...


Decimort 2 has been announced, their new plugins and updates have better gui sizing options :)
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Posted 16 February 2016 - 15:45

Sonalksis seem to have over-run their sale a bit:

 

I recently picked up the Digital Grimebox for 12 euros and am having a lot of fun with it on drums

 

demo available and use code: FOCUS60 in webshop

 

https://www.sonalksi...al_grimebox.htm

 

 

...The Digital Grimebox is comprised of a bitcrusher, a downsampler, an adaptive bias and distortion algorithm, and a low pass filter.


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 16:25

Just for fun a short AB I just made.  First 4 bars with the Sonalksis Grimebox then 4 bars without (average one instance per track/ sound).  Some quite bright hihat samples used from WA Drum tools help hilight the difference a bit more. In fact I did have to add a bit of native LP filter to one of the hihat samples without Grimebox as it became quite piercing! 

 

http://picosong.com/hqUS/

 

 

Whoa! This one sounds great on drums.
http://bedroomproduc...ntrolr-sbaudio/

 

 

Nice find on this plug too Akiz!  


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Posted 13 April 2018 - 23:10

I'm gona bump this one .

I've been using tal sampler lately just for the fantastic dac and jitter emulation , toneboosters timemachine will not cut it .

 I asked patrick( tal ) if we could expect a dac effect plugin , not likely .


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:20

https://www.mathieud...d-da-converter/

 

have not try it but the YT Link sounds good


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Posted 14 April 2018 - 01:52

Yep , I heard about the akai s950 emu ..was released 2 weeks ago    

BUt it's  not the same ...the jitter on the tal sampler is so nice ..and it has those crunchy vintage emulator emulations ( no pun intended ) 

 

Also ,when demoing that rx plugin , might ass well turn of the spring reverb


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