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#1 Raul (ulneiz)

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 12:31

"Note-Off" not erased with copy and paste

 

Renoise 3.1RC2, W7 64bit

 

I do not know if is an inconsistent behavior or something to fix for future version final of Renoise 3.1...

 

The "Note-Off" is associated with a "Note". Renoise delete the Note-Off already placed if you insert the Note-Off into another cell associated forever for a Note, using Caps Lock or A-key (but do not using copy & paste). Such that a Note always corresponds one Note-Off.

 

The problem is with Copy & Paste:

 

Steps (a example):

  1. In Pattern Editor or Phrases, write a "Note" in cell five, column one.
  2. Write a "Note-Off" in cell seven, column one (Caps Lock or A-key).
  3. Select cells five, six and seven
  4. Copy and paste the three cells with the cursor in cell four (above one cell of the selection).

What happens:

  • The Note-Off in cell seven is not deleted.
  • The consequence: Renoise allows two or more Note-Off for a Note.
  • If you repeat the steps to infinity, you can create an entire column filled with Note-Off using copy & paste (including previously selecting only the Note-Off for copy & paste).

Renoise should not erase the Note-Off leftover also using the copy & paste? Can it be corrected?

 

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 17:39

Reported that too, years ago.... The answer was "it's not a bug, it's a feature ".

Still no clue, why that inconsistency exists... I think renoise even doesn't fire the second note off to a vsti.

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Posted 30 December 2015 - 18:57

https://www.renoise....clear-junk-data



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Posted 30 December 2015 - 20:10

Hi ffx and Djeroek

 

This item was moved today by a moderator. Before was in the subforum: "Renoise 3.1 Beta - Help, Support & Bugs". I consider it a mistake or something inconsistent, incongruous, should be corrected.

 

For me this issue is pointless. It is not a feature, but rather a failure. It is something that should not exist.

 

Using copy and paste, you can create many Note-Offs trash, are useless. It makes no sense. If it's a feature, not useful.

 

I understand that a note can only cut one turn, not two turn or three. If not in this manner, someone explain to me, please.

 

note-off-copy&paste.png

 

Is this a feature?

 

 

 


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 20:44

Maybe, if the note-off layer or midi event is "misused" for other stuff than a note-off? But then, why the other is deleted if manually added as singleton? Still no clue... Taktik will know.


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Posted 30 December 2015 - 21:04

Maybe, if the note-off layer or midi event is "misused" for other stuff than a note-off? But then, why the other is deleted if manually added as singleton? Still no clue... Taktik will know.

 

Therefore it is not consistent! "Caps Lock" or "A-key" ....... and "Copy&Paste" should not work the same way? One cleared and the other not? What is the utility of this?

 

Maybe the internal code of Copy&Paste allowing automatic deletion is more complicated. With A-key or Cap Lock just change one cell. With Copy&Paste you can paste many cells with data. But it was not an excuse.

 

But I think that Renoise should prevent enter or preserve values that do not serve. Renoise must correct the user, not the user to Renoise.


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