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#1 midi error

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Posted 09 February 2016 - 16:56

Renoise has many elements and features don't it? Looking at the songs from Mutant Breaks, everyone seems to use it in different ways...which is cool. What areas do you excel at in Renoise?

 

And what do you feel you know nothing about, but would like to learn.

 

For me

 

Strengths are: Using modulations for weird FX, Choping/editing vocals, making hardware controllers control parameters, Guru coding for Hardware,

 

Weaknesses are: Doofers & Phrases - I literally never use these and have no idea how they work or would affect my music.

 

How about you?

 

 



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Posted 09 February 2016 - 20:27

For me, it's biggest strengths in comparison to other DAWs are:

- step sequencing using keyboard (this one is huge and the biggest reason I use a tracker - nowhere else I can lay down ideas as fast as in this environment)

- editing and navigating patterns using keyboard

- powerful, easy and quick to use sample editor/sampler

- integrated slicer: although missing some features (especially "pitch mode" - playing sample from current position (not just start) or selected slice through the midi keyboard), it is still one of the best and quickest I've ever used

- very stable audio engine with great and stable support for VST plugins

- cool tracker commands (although I use them somewhat less than I used to, especially before it had a slicer)

- usable on single monitor setup and smaller (laptop) screens (although version 3 is a step back in this area, with 3.1 being a step in the right direction, but still not as good as 2.8)

 

Weaknesses for me are:

- no piano roll (I know it's a tracker and most of the time I prefer tracker interface, but for some uses - especially for chords or longer melodies - piano roll would be nice to have)

- no linear mode sequencer or at least tracks that can expand through multiple patterns: e.g. when having long melody, you can only make a very long pattern, which means copy&paste the content of other tracks through it... or when making a song with lots of variety, the number of patterns just goes to the sky, because every little variation demands a new pattern.

 

 

There seems to be quite a demand for audio tracks, but I don't miss them that much, actually autoseek feature quite filled the gap for me in this area. I use Logic for this and I doubt Renoise could come close to the features I need in this area any time soon. And it would surely raise the price and make it more complicated and clumsy for sequencing.


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Posted 09 February 2016 - 20:48

I love programming stuff using chop & reverse commands, and converting them to phrases for easy triggering. Making a bass, sampling it and playing around with 0Sxx and 0Bxx is just endless fun IMO. Also I feel like I'm getting quite adept at doing breaks in Renoise. Something I always sucked in my previous DAW life. And finally native DSP's seem to work better and better for me as I keep on using them. There's a lot more for sure but these are from the top of my head.

 

When it comes to weaknesses, I'd say playing/arranging things live. I just feel obliged to program everything. Also automation. Not sure if it's about Renoise, but I used to automate stuff more when I was using regular DAW's. Other than that, arrangement is something I feel weak at, and pattern matrix isn't the most inspiring tool sometimes.


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Posted 10 February 2016 - 01:23

Strength: Glide
Weaknesses: rhythm programming, using too much glide
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Posted 10 February 2016 - 11:04

The live thing is an interesting one. I've never played live...ever, so dont ask me!

 

For me, it's biggest strengths in comparison to other DAWs are:

 

Cool, I am thinking along the lines of what is already possible in renoise - and you have skills / zero skills in.


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Posted 10 February 2016 - 16:30

What, you can use Renoise in more than one way? 

 

Strength: Glide
Weaknesses: rhythm programming, using too much glide

 

Ooh, programming beats definitely also isn't my strong side. I'm just too lazy, or something. I tend to stick with something that works and then create a few variations  - just enough to not make it boring (phrases are great for this sort of thing). I do envy the skills of those jazzy breaks maestros that use Renoise, but then ... my music is mostly melody based anyway. 

 

Strengths : sound design, meta-device abuse and atmospheres. And tools. 


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Posted 10 February 2016 - 17:50

strenghts: 

weird loops

sampling

no midi, just keyboard

transposing phrases

fast midi sequencing

meta devices

 

 

weaknesses:

track view 

mixing 

Automatization

 

 

It is psychological thing... because renoise is micro oriented and you cant zoom out i create detailed loops not long sequences. i dont leave spaces and my compositions are usually very "tight", no pauses, no silence, just a lot of sounds. I dont have this problem with traditional daws where i create long minimalistic beats. I tried to connect redux and reaper but then i cant sequence vsti via tracker view and rewire has its flaws. 


Edited by Akiz, 10 February 2016 - 18:18.


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Posted 12 February 2016 - 14:55

I've been using Renoise for a long time now and I find it hard to push myself into making use of any of the newish features. Tools and phrases are the two biggest features that I haven't even touched. I'm basically stuck with somewhat oldschool tracking techniques, but I do know them pretty well.


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 09:41

I own a few other DAW’s and though I dabble in them occasionally, there’s no comparison.

 

Strengths:

 

It bundles all your samples up in a small song file.

Stability – been using it 12+ years both on Windows and Linux – never any problems except occasionally for rogue plugins.

Low resource useage.

Chopping up samples/pattern effects etc.

The ability to exert absolute control over practically everything.

The fact that I write far more creative stuff in Renoise than other DAWs.

The price.

Rock solid midi control for outboard stuff.

The fantastic array of tools that people make for it.

The fact it’s more fun than anything else out there.

It looks cool.

All the weird stuff you can do with it.

 

Weaknesses.

 

My eyesight struggles with it a bit.

Piano roll; occasionally I could do with this, but nah it’s not really a problem.

I never use send tracks, or mapping devices; my limited intellect fails at this point.

Personalised track icons – I’d like to be able to put pictures of different cats etc on each track, like you can do with Tracktion.


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 14:54

Personalised track icons – I’d like to be able to put pictures of different cats etc on each track, like you can do with Tracktion.

 

 

Uh ....good luck with that one


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Posted 16 February 2016 - 17:04

 i'm getting better at arrangement—but to hear that other people have the same problem means it's a real problem, and not just me! I use a lot of pattern splitting and joining commands to make arrangements, but it can still be rough. i'll start with one bar at 32 lpb with a length of 40 (hex) and duplicate it 3 times, then merge the four-bar loop, but then i've got a 200/512 line pattern. I find that works, but it can be daunting.

 

I still have a little errant hihat or something hidden somewhere in the song, which can be frustrating, but sometimes it's kinda cool :P

 

I've really been focusing on pattern fx commands, especially automation, and global commands. I've been using renoise for like 7 years and I FINALLY understand why the inertia parameter on so many native fx is useful—pattern automation! haha!

 

I recently unplugged any midi controllers and am forcing myslf to enter in automation by hand in fx columns, and it's really helpful.

 

I BARELY use phrases, but i see their massive power. I rarely make any complex instruments, but i abuse the shit out of resampling. also, those that know, CDP. CDP. CDP. I'm not a hardcore tool user as I'm weirdly superstitious that too many tools will bloat the software, but CDP IS ESSENTIAL!

 

I'm also superstitious about doing anything audio-related while rendering a tune. if I get an AIM message, i re-render.. lol


EDIT: horizontal arrangement is the only reason i want to do some things in ableton. everyone talks about how ableton has such a fast workflow—but it feels like swimming through creamed corn for me. eugh....

 

EDITEDIT: this is actually a very inspiring thread. we should go through a list of our weaknesses and find those of us who have strengths in them - and teach each other all these cool new things :)


Edited by misk, 16 February 2016 - 17:07.

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Posted 16 February 2016 - 18:31

strengths - beats...and obviously much more....sample manipulation 

weaknesses - easy automation of vsts...really miss cubase ability to just move knobs and bounce and chop



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Posted 16 February 2016 - 22:12

strengths - beats...and obviously much more....sample manipulation 

weaknesses - easy automation of vsts...really miss cubase ability to just move knobs and bounce and chop

 

truth, but render selection to sample is the single fastest way i've ever resampled anything! I know renoise can do everything i need to be able to do, though i might have to alter my workflow a bit. It's more a matter of breaking out of self-imposed patterns



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 09:07

truth, but render selection to sample is the single fastest way i've ever resampled anything! I know renoise can do everything i need to be able to do, though i might have to alter my workflow a bit. It's more a matter of breaking out of self-imposed patterns

yea i just wanna super fast automate vst method without the damn instrument automation thing...

 

I mean automating NI prism for example....aaaaaaaages

 

getting out of trad daw land paradigm...for sure...just some things need a streamline....


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Posted 17 February 2016 - 12:10

yea i just wanna super fast automate vst method without the damn instrument automation thing...

 

I mean automating NI prism for example....aaaaaaaages

 

getting out of trad daw land paradigm...for sure...just some things need a streamline....

 

If you`ve not seen it, this tool might be of help.  I put a grab vst parameter function in it which works on instruments and fx.  You click the [G] button with the song stopped, then move the element in the VST GUI that you want to automate, then use the large rotary on the tool gui to do your automation.  For instruments you need to have an automation device in the track DSP lane and selected but it is the same principle. 

 

http://forum.renoise...-single-slider/

 

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Posted 17 February 2016 - 16:36

Strengths: Chopping breaks, making quick rhythms, use of phrases (i mostly use them for breaks though)

 

Weaknesses: EQing, making full length songs, keeping things interesting in general



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 17:19

Strengths: I think i have gotten better at drums lately and the mixing and mastering is also improving somewhat. Comparing with earlier tunes i definately hear some improvement in composition and sound in general. 

It seems like the more i use Renoise, the more ideas i got and constantly finding new ways and sounds.

 

Weaknesses: Consistency. Mixing and mastering. I don't like limiters.



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Posted 17 February 2016 - 17:24

I have a few things.

 

Strenghts:

- fast (computer keyboard) workflow

- fast sample cutting / slicing / usage with 0Sxx offset command

- overview of channel spectrum in comparision to master spectrum in the top view

- lots of control on modulation of sound possible

 

Weakness:

- no "Selection in Matrix" in advanced editor

- no perfect ramping:

 * Gainer DSP responds too slow to LFO lane (and need use Gate DSP that is also too slow)

 * filter device needs inertia

 * filter and more things ramp and sometimes comes too late at (pattern/count/beat) start and need a pre-count setting

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Posted 19 February 2016 - 19:44

I mean automating NI prism for example....aaaaaaaages

 

want a copy of my tweaked version of prism? it generates 10x the partials... it's a monster but maaan shit's never sounded so incredible!


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Posted 20 February 2016 - 14:00

It sure is a strength that you can just open the program and somehow just stuff happens and whooops you got some fine loops,

but thinking these further or creating melodies that develop over a longer time is pretty hard to me.

 

It is psychological thing... because renoise is micro oriented and you cant zoom out i create detailed loops not long sequences[...]

I guess that's it. I even think you can actually hear this when listening to the Renoise soundcloud group.

Sure, you can be above this if you really know what you are doing want to archieve...but it seems to be a thing.

 

Tl;dr: Staying in the micro area Renoise is designed to is incredible fun & gives more freedom than America ever did,

but going macro requires hella lot more focus & soberness

 

 

(Also, since it has to be said once in a while: Damn, I love this program!)


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Posted 04 March 2016 - 19:32

Strengths:

 

Beatmaking, beatslicing.

 

Phrases, especially used for beatmaking and drum fills. So i can work with a 4 LPB pattern setup in the pattern editor and can create 8 LPB, 16 LPB or whatever in the phrase editor for e.g. fast drumfills without changing the LPB in the main pattern. And the abillity for individual phrases for each keyboard note.

 

Pattern commands.

 

The samlper and its editing features like it's own fx and modulation routings for each sample individually.

 

Bridging: the abillity of using 32 bit VST's in 64 bit Renoise and vice versa without any issues (much other DAW's have big issues with internal bridging).

 

Send channels.

 

Pattern matrix, very easy to use for copying pattern stuff from previous patterns to a new one.

 

Meta & fx routing.

 

 

Weakness:

 

Automations: need more features for automation curves, especially e.g. for dragging individual bezier curves would be nice.

 

Sampler: it's modulation envelopes, same thing like with the Automations. Dragging individual curves would be nice. And it's limit of using just 12 sample layers per note.

 

Sidechain routings for VST's would be nice



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Posted 04 March 2016 - 21:52

strengths: best sample editor, best sequencer, high quality effects modules, excellent routing options, phrases as arpeggiators, best price, multiplatform

 

weaknesses: no oscillator modules (must always use samples / rendered vsti), no audio tracks, no touch screen mode for tablet / touchscreen laptop usage, vibrato pattern effect command is out of time since way back.


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 13:11

I love the idea of this topic, but I think it's also misunderstood by most. 

 

It's about our weaknesses and strengths  :panic:

 

Although you can argue there is can be a certain overlap between the personal abilities and the abilities of the software, "chalking up my favorite feature suggestions" is something we have plenty of already. So, if you believe to be a skilled touchscreen musician, or you can't compose without a pianoroll - then yes, this could be seen as a personal strength/weakness. 

 

/end of rant


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Posted 09 March 2016 - 13:51

Although you can argue there is can be a certain overlap between the personal abilities and the abilities of the software, "chalking up my favorite feature suggestions" is something we have plenty of already. So, if you believe to be a skilled touchscreen musician, or you can't compose without a pianoroll - then yes, this could be seen as a personal strength/weakness. 

 

I think I agree with this somewhat... one of my weaknesses is definitely my ability to compose melodies for basslines or chord progressions for piano loops or pads. Whilst I don't think a piano roll would solve this issue for me personally (I absolutely hate the piano roll in FL Studio and Reason anyway) I think the Renoise way of tackling this problem is definitely a bit one dimensional and could definitely do with some improvements.

 

In keeping with the original spirit of the thread though, I would happily admit that this is more than likely a weakness of my own musical ability rather than renoise's capabilitiy itself.


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Posted 01 May 2018 - 18:28

strengths - sound design been able to get all sorts of sounds just using the sampler and some tools 

                  the drum programming its perfect in compare to other daws having note velocity and delay and pan columns right next to each other its a bonus

                  

 

weakness - as in any other daw i get distracted to easily when the project starts to progress having multiple instruments and building parts gets in the middle of                     me finishing more songs :(


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