"Audio tracks or a Piano Roll (..) after the 3.1 release." - taktik 2015
And this is exactly why developers do not bother talking to their users, developer says one thing "STFU until after we release 3.1" users who are starved of any interaction from developers "OMG OMG OMG piano roll or Audio Tracks after 3.1"
And me using quotes that are nothing like the originals completely proves the misunderstand/misquote dilemma
Is development going to get any faster than the previous and current snail trail "To double the output of what we are currently doing, I'd guess we'd roughly need 4-8 times more people working on the same things that we are currently working on. Reason for this is the project's complexity and its dependencies. And for a niche product like Renoise this simply is not very realistic" Notice "And for a niche product like Renoise this simply is not very realistic"
Development will not get faster, Renoise is Niche (Read doesn't sell vast amounts allowing more developers to join the team)
"Audio tracks or a Piano Roll would not change that
But this is for another time to discuss and evaluate - after the 3.1 release."
Discuss and evaluate does not mean it is coming, does not mean that it is even on the cards, it quite literally means, lets talk about it, and then decide.
With 14+ years of talking already under its belt on this subject, lets safely assume the decision was made a long time ago, either it is not going to happen because they have no interest/not capable/would take too long (Take your pick and do as you please)
However, the troubling thing here is the complete lack of confidence the developer has in the product "Audio tracks or a Piano Roll would not change that" the fact that giving Renoise the same features as other sustainable nay mega profitable hosts will not change its current Niche standing in the developers eyes, worrying at best, and would suggest nothing more than ever being a fanciful past time project.
A lot more people will buy VST over a Tracker (OK they chose the sampler first, personally i think that was a poor choice, way too many samplers all released at similar times to Redux, and it pretty much generated zero hype)
Release the FX as a cheap plugin suite
Release the tracker a s a cheap step sequencer plugin
Redux sample engine already exists
Then you have the ability to use Redux/Renoise sequencer/ Renoise FX all in a real linear DAW that already has Piano roll and audio tracks.
For the record, take a guess (It is actually very easy) which do you think is more well known, Illformed Glitch 2 or Renoise (One is spoken about regularly on lots of forums all over the internet, the other is a tracker hahahaha)
Tracker users and their little bubble of reality are actually quite funny
They ignore the fact that Renoise is a tracker and such a niche product that it has little interest to most music makers (It would take Piano roll/Audio Tracks and a linear arranger to change this, this is simply not going to happen, the developers would be old and grey before they pulled that off, they simply aren't fast enough at developing, the product they currently have is so niche they cant get more developers, the Renoise paradox, which is unfortunate considering Renoise with a piano roll/linear arranger/audio tracks would probably be one of the best hosts on the market and generate huge hype, the Renois paradox, add to this the lead developers lack of confidence in adding these things changing Renoises niche status, you pretty much have everything you need to see that Renoise as a host is stagnant)
They ignore the fact that most Tracker users are quite happy using whatever free tracker is currently flavour of the month
They ignore the fact that even the lowliest of linear arrangers nowadays has just as much control over micro editing as a tracker does
Breaking out Renoises features as plugins will probably allow one really important thing, Renoise developers to continue what they do, yes they are extremely slow, yes it is niche, but plugins are not, in fact they are even geekdom collectable now, some people just buy them so they complete their collections (Sad but true) put the FX out at $30 for the entire set, maybe even have some simple modular wrapper to combine them in interesting ways, bam, yes they are not the best effects in the world, but the collection is vast, the UI is actually very easy on the eyes, and at the end of all things they work.
Edited by Bungle, 30 March 2016 - 14:49.