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#1 Seburo

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Posted 30 April 2016 - 01:10

Didn't really know where to post this but I guess It's off topic. Anyway I've tried the Dogs on Acid forum, reddit and WATMM with no luck so far in Identifying this breakbeat. Really hoping someone here can help.

 

The break starts at 0.05 seconds In and also at 0.40 but slowed down. Hoping someone can Identify this, or at least help me deconstruct It. Sounds like It's definitely a few breaks layered. 

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=6IW-iowsfS8



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 16:43

sounds like chopped Funky drummer to me



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Posted 30 April 2016 - 22:16

Lol it is so fucked up stereo & filter/eq - wise...about to name apache break &all øther breaks & general magic? Why do you want to dissect this audio to begin with?



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Posted 03 May 2016 - 10:03

Sounds like it could be from the Jungle Warfare CD but thats just a wild guess.

 

Have you tried asking here? http://rolldabeats.c...hp?showforum=21



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Posted 06 May 2016 - 17:47

Lol it is so fucked up stereo & filter/eq - wise...about to name apache break &all øther breaks & general magic? Why do you want to dissect this audio to begin with?

Because I want to remake It. Can't find the actual song from the video anywhere so I can't rip the break from it, only choice is to make It myself. From going on rolldabeats, thanks to idem345, It seems the main break is the 'Dynamic Corvettes - Funky Music is the Thing '. I now want to find the rest that It's layered with and how It's been EQ'd and chopped up. It does sound fucked up, but In a good way I think. 

 

here is the main break but I'd still like some help identifying the other breaks within it or any advice on how it's been chopped/compressed/EQ'd. Thanks

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=Sg00NxGJpsY



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Posted 07 May 2016 - 00:21

I honestly don't believe the producer of that GitS track went ahead and sampled these breaks off their original source. In the VGM and soundtrack industry it was (and still is) an established custom to use samples of commissioned CDs and libraries that were released for this exact purpose in order to avoid copyright issues. It's more likely to me that the sample may already be a pre-layered loop off a sample CD than composed of genuinely recorded bits from vinyl. Time and money are very strict issues in this business after all. In 1997 the range of breakbeat sample CDs was rather low so I would look into that if I were you!


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Posted 07 May 2016 - 01:50

I honestly don't believe the producer of that GitS track went ahead and sampled these breaks off their original source. In the VGM and soundtrack industry it was (and still is) an established custom to use samples of commissioned CDs and libraries that were released for this exact purpose in order to avoid copyright issues. It's more likely to me that the sample may already be a pre-layered loop off a sample CD than composed of genuinely recorded bits from vinyl. Time and money are very strict issues in this business after all. In 1997 the range of breakbeat sample CDs was rather low so I would look into that if I were you!

 

There is a lot of truth to this, japanese VGM producers would often share studios as well (depending on which company they worked for). Even when they didn't, you'd occasionally hear similar sounds pop up (mainly occasionally stock vocal snippets as well as breaks), though obviously this is after the 8/16bit days. That said, it could have been layered and looped after the fact, but the loops could have easily been from a single source. (don't rule out vinyl sampling, a lot of VGM guys do a ton of solo work as well)

 

That said, just about everyone who was on the GITS video game OST were techno producers from around the world. Not typical VGM people, on top of that, nowhere is it mentioned (at least in english) who did the music for that bit (I know it wasn't Ishiino). I've always wondered myself who did it, but I have never really found out (as far as the game goes, the only other person mentioned as music producer is a guy named Terumasa Yabushita). Sony (AFAIK) never really had a sound team the likes of Konami or Namco, so I'm a tad stumped. Definitely look for popular sample cds at that time, esp with the track you mentioned OP, you should have a lot of luck!


Edited by 4kb, 07 May 2016 - 01:52.

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Posted 07 May 2016 - 14:16

Yeah don't worry I definitely didn't think the loop was sampled straight from vinyl or anything. I collect a lot of anime soundtracks and always notice breaks that have been ripped from the old compilations. It's just this track and break in particular have alluded me and I have looked everywhere! I've tried jungle warfare and the bay-b Kane compilation, the bay-b kane compilation had one break on there called 'The Chaser' which is a version of the 'Dynamic Corvettes'. It's part of It but I need to find the rest. If you guys think the whole break may have been ripped from somewhere then could you point me in the right direction of any more popular break compilation CDs from that era? 

 

I can't rest until I find this break : )



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Posted 07 May 2016 - 16:33

So I went through a couple of sample Cds today since I was bored and was watching the hockey world cup alongside and I think I've found what you're looking for:

 

http://www119.zippys...1ioRE/file.html

 

It's from a sample library called That Jungle Flavour which I snagged off eBay a few years ago. It has the Dynamic Corvettes break at around 0:21 and the first break definitely sounds like the layered break from the GitS track.


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Posted 08 May 2016 - 11:13

No way! you found It. Thanks man, made my day. Shame I'll never know what the actual song is itself but as long as I have the break, I'm happy. On a completely separate note, you said you have some sample CDs? Any chance you have the 4 Hero Sample CD? 



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Posted 08 May 2016 - 14:53

Yeah I have that one.



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Posted 11 May 2016 - 16:20

wow awesome, well played idem345! 

 

@OP -- just in case you're interested, there are two specific FB groups I'd recommend for future break hunting (alongside renoise forums, clearly! :) )

 

- Jungle Sample Beardstroke Massive: https://www.facebook...6983583227800/ 

- Long Live Beautifully Crafted Jungle: https://www.facebook...s/LongLiveBCJ/ 


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Posted 10 February 2017 - 18:46

I've tried and tried to get these breakbeats to sound like the one in the video but it just ain't working. I've chopped them up and re assembled them in so many different variations but to no avail. Was hoping we might be able to crack this thread open again?? I'm starting to think that It was ripped straight from a CD already layered and If that's the case then somewhere out there is this breakbeat. 

 

If It was ripped from the That Jungle Flavour CD and then layered, I sure wouldn't mind some help in assembling It. I'm having no luck at all. 



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 01:33

Can you share your attempt on it?

 

Here's my take: https://clyp.it/yg5oojle



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Posted 11 February 2017 - 17:15

After listening to yours : ) I managed to get pretty close I think https://clyp.it/z4vawit3

 

I was trying for so long but for some reason after listening to yours it clicked. Originally I was putting the cowbells in the wrong place and everything just sounded crap. 

 

But yours is way more punchy and the cowbells seems to roll a lot better. any chance of a HQ download???? 


Edited by Seburo, 11 February 2017 - 17:17.


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Posted 11 February 2017 - 18:21

You can have the .xrns.

 

http://www55.zippysh...Re1K7/file.html