Raul, danoise, joule, wait wait wait.... why do you guys think the reflection code would be doable or even easy?
i make a track
the delay column for it goes like:
afaik renoise doesn't yet clean up data that does not have any effects (doesn't do anything)
now, what's the piano roll representation of this renoise song? little events. visualized by some markers, that read "would delay if something stood there?"
or should renoise rather clean up every old song on import and disallow all that stuff in future? (as it cleans up superflous offs)
the point is, if the tracker songs and the pianoroll should be compatible, that "reflection code" might keep the renoise devs busy for ages. i've now simply swallowed the idea that it's not worth it for trying to get users in that would no way see a better or on par piano roll than cubase, fl studio etc.
sure, renoise could maybe sort notes at some more places than recording afair. it should maybe keep you informed if there migh be a sustaining note (i just placed offs and it seemed ok). and maybe zoom, but that's quite incompatible with the timing (delay and whatever) commands, so i see why there is still no zoom, too. and as soon as the space wasting comes in: this has zero advantage. all you see is note bars taking gui space and not pleasing any additional customer.
i can't help it, i think, until now, taktik has made an tremendous effort not doing anytihing wrong with renoise. i highly respect their decisions. and they should probably add a lot of but
not a piano roll, it the definition of it is "projecting keys onto an axis" (or wasting space between columns). this is so bad for renoise, because the user would need to move the cursor to that column with as many key strokes as the musical interval. Raul has proved why I actually would dislike it, because the only alternative to worse keyboard usage is another type of track, and that thing won't ever be an average piano-roll.
and even in fl studio i have never really looked where those note bars stand, just listedened and corrected if a note was wrong.
so...the reason the piano roll isn't there is probably because it's indeed a f*cked up situation. so forget piano, forget roll.