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Posted 20 June 2018 - 11:02

The Renoise version right now is quite good and very stable, so basically i don't need a new version...

Though it worries me that in 2018 i bourght i, and no updates soon, it still is a very good programmed thingy!

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Yeah!

 

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Posted 28 June 2018 - 10:39

Will there EVER be a new update?
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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:14

Will there EVER be a new update?

 

Only three data:

  1. https://www.sononym....d-availability/ (Updated 2018-06-23)... Availability...
  2. New software (new business) implies updates, more time spent on it, and not in other programs, such as Renoise.
  3. It's summer = holidays.

Can you draw any conclusions? By the way, what has happened to the famous "RAS" thread? Has it disappeared? http://forum.renoise...animent-system/ There were some interesting things and contributions in it.


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 12:34

By the way, what has happened to the famous "RAS" thread? Has it disappeared? http://forum.renoise...animent-system/ There were some interesting things and contributions in it.

I like the part with the echo chamber, where things start to get going... Those were the days...  https://web.archive....t-system/page-8


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 13:26

I like the part with the echo chamber, where things start to get going... Those were the days...  https://web.archive....t-system/page-8

 

 

Wow real artistry in there. Please more of that!


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 13:53

renoise 3.2 will not update the software, but rather be major update to the forum. like removing the ignore function, and hiring a bunch of paranoid people to do their thing in the ring... you will notice them by the fact they don't seem to make any music (oops now I disclosed the secret). I guess I couldn't resist also spamming stuff in there, as I also am paranoid, but you get my paranoia for free as I happen to really like renoise and trying to make music with it. paranoia 4 everyone, ooooh merry xmas....



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Posted 28 June 2018 - 14:07

Paranoid? The Renoise team? Who do you mean?


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Posted 28 June 2018 - 16:07

was just referencing certain forums action that has just been mentioned above, as well as myself

 

the renoise team is only paranoid in shielding themselves from the forums paranoia...that's why the forum needs upgrade, the more paranoia inside, the better the next renoise version might become?

 

no really, it was just some cynical/dirty unnessecary remark, so please forgive it & keep on begging for a better renoise experience



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 12:01

Well, requesting "beg"fixes and improvements surely is way better than putting your head into the sand, denying reality and pretending that Renoise is perfect and such great, and accusing others not to make music at all, instead seeing that you then obviously do not use the parts of Renoise that are buggy or poorly designed, ignoring the flood of posts with problems.


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Posted 29 June 2018 - 14:39

Well, requesting "beg"fixes and improvements surely is way better than putting your head into the sand, denying reality and pretending that Renoise is perfect and such great, and accusing others not to make music at all, instead seeing that you then obviously do not use the parts of Renoise that are buggy or poorly designed, ignoring the flood of posts with problems.

 

Being happy with what you have is not the same as pretending it's perfect.

 

Nothing wrong with requesting fixes and improvements though.



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Posted 29 June 2018 - 22:42

What's next :

 

Okay the devteam has allready added a cool feature : : the convolver.

 

The NEXT Renoise should feature a "HTRF Binaural 3D Simulator" that position every input mono sound source into a virtual 3D space

 

Let's call this release : Renoise 3.D

 

How ?

 

It has to Convolute a mono signal with Head-Related Impulse Response (HRIR) for the left and right ear respectively.

 

See this article explaining how to code it.

 

 

I have looked, briefly, into this.. GREAT IDEA! Hands down, and a way to push the envelope that much further! 


renoise 3.2 will not update the software, but rather be major update to the forum. like removing the ignore function, and hiring a bunch of paranoid people to do their thing in the ring... you will notice them by the fact they don't seem to make any music (oops now I disclosed the secret). I guess I couldn't resist also spamming stuff in there, as I also am paranoid, but you get my paranoia for free as I happen to really like renoise and trying to make music with it. paranoia 4 everyone, ooooh merry xmas....

 

Pretty sure they do make music. Lets say for a second they do not.. currently or otherwise.. they have brought us the amazing experience we all passionately love and if that is THEIR PASSION then i say they currently hold more on their belts, in this music thang', then a lot of us out here today. I dont know if thats what you meant or not but i was kind of put off by this post and you would need to clarify. anyways, one love <3


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 07:14

Over the years I've found the 'community' on this forum to be...well...pissed off.  Post meaningless things, and just generally be annoying to try and gain something/anything.  Maybe what Renoise needs is quality musicians (who are thinking about melodic music.)  Looking at this forum, if I was Taktik, I'd be completely fucked off tbh.  Shame.  Waste of server space (pretty much all threads need purging), simply pathetic.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 10:45

Over the years I've found the 'community' on this forum to be...well...pissed off.


Strange huh?
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 10:46

Over the years I've found the 'community' on this forum to be...well...pissed off.  Post meaningless things, and just generally be annoying to try and gain something/anything.  Maybe what Renoise needs is quality musicians (who are thinking about melodic music.)  Looking at this forum, if I was Taktik, I'd be completely fucked off tbh.  Shame.  Waste of server space (pretty much all threads need purging), simply pathetic.

 

I cannot follow your argumentation. Normally it works like this here, for about 4+ years: Somebody asked a serious, friendly question. Very soon the Renoise fanboys will drop in and post meaningless cat pictures, stating the Renoise is perfect and accusing the people who asked that they do not make music at all or something. And in this way, every friendly discussion will be derailed, turn into a bunch of bullshit.

 

Asking for bugfixes or improvements is a sign of interest in the topic, nothing more nothing less.

 

If the admin would immediately delete cat pics, and off-topic posts consequently, then the forum could return to a normal quality level. But ok, I get it, it is the era of facebook generation, everybody thinks he can drop in into a topic and post his narcissistic way of view, without even reading the original topic or having any interest to help.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 11:17

Maybe what Renoise needs is quality musicians

Dont worry, there are plenty of good quality musicians making music with renoise, they just dont waste time to posting on forum :D


who are thinking about melodic music.

ahhhh... i withdraw my words...

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 17:57

Asking for bugfixes or improvements is a sign of interest in the topic, nothing more nothing less.

Sure I agree ffx/Hans/___.  However lets think about this further..  If I was writing Renoise and I set up a forum, I'd have people like yourself asking for bug fixes and improvements.  Yes?  Now you've done some programming and I've done some programming, but just imagine how difficult even (what seems to be) a mild request could turn out to be from the developers side.  You could argue that Taktik is selling Renoise.  This is true, so therefore the customer expects a certain amount of effort because money is involved etc..  Open that can of worms?

 

I often think this, when we bought Renoise, we didn't actually buy Renoise.  We (the customer) don't own Renoise.  We have no say in the matter (or so little it is immeasurable.)  When was the last time anything from the Ideas/Suggestions section of this forum was actually implemented?  I can't remember anything.  Waste of time/server space?

 

Here's another thought.  Radio silence.  What's that about?  If Taktik came on this forum and told us (the customers) what was going to be in the next Renoise update.  RenoiseHQ says they would have a deluge of posts saying 'Ohhh, you don't want to do that, what you want to do is....'  True, but so what?  What's the problem?  Taktik just ignores the posts (lock the thread?  Admins are good at locking threads?)  Taktik says what he is going to do, if it suits you great, if it doesn't tough.  That's what he's doing anyway.  It's his program not ours.  By keeping quiet he tries to make it look more.  Meaningless.  Just created more noise, speculation.

 

Is the attitude: If you can get something out of Renoise (in any carnation) great, if you can't...well...sorry can't create the/your perfect program?

 

Having said all this *pointless wall of text* I hope that Taktik (eventually) implements the things that you want to see in Renoise ffx/Hans and the bug fixes.  I can honestly say that it has never happened to me since 2.7.  Maybe because the way I see myself with Renoise is in its current form way beyond my ability as a composer/musician anyway.  I can't write music that is good enough even for Renoise V1.8.  I find music composition much more difficult than Renoise.

 

Strange huh?

I tend to find it more depressing than strange.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 18:41

I agree with you, it is his software, and he decides. Sure, every further word is pointless, he won't change his mind because of the posts in the forum, as we know from the past. That said mac users have currently non working songs, non loading audiounit presets inside all songs, empty plugin guis... It is pretty frustrating. I would be happy if that only was fixed, making Renoise working for macos again and I would pay for that update. Blablabla what is left to write, everything was written already in here... I could have stayed with old macos version, but I cannot do that as a developer, because apple then locks you out very soon and apps stop working.

 

I was pretty happy back in the days, when I found Renoise and this enthusiastic, talented developer taktik, making a professional tracker daw from one of the many great software starts by arguru. It was like Takitk was reading my mind. He is even my age. Back then I did music in Cubase, but I always hated the mixer, that antique mixing concept, the pianoroll, you know the story. Now I even bought a pianoroll DAW again, and currently trying to adapt to that. Yes, I would like to use Renoise only as composition sketch tool, but honestly, I never was the guy using many softwares at once, converting song formats, using Rewire or so. I love to do all inside the same DAW or I will loose the flow. Another wall of pointless text.


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 18:59

Sure I agree ffx/Hans/___.  However lets think about this further..  If I was writing Renoise and I set up a forum, I'd have people like yourself asking for bug fixes and improvements.  Yes?  Now you've done some programming and I've done some programming, but just imagine how difficult even (what seems to be) a mild request could turn out to be from the developers side.  You could argue that Taktik is selling Renoise.  This is true, so therefore the customer expects a certain amount of effort because money is involved etc..  Open that can of worms?

 

I often think this, when we bought Renoise, we didn't actually buy Renoise.  We (the customer) don't own Renoise.  We have no say in the matter (or so little it is immeasurable.)  When was the last time anything from the Ideas/Suggestions section of this forum was actually implemented?  I can't remember anything.  Waste of time/server space?

 

Here's another thought.  Radio silence.  What's that about?  If Taktik came on this forum and told us (the customers) what was going to be in the next Renoise update.  RenoiseHQ says they would have a deluge of posts saying 'Ohhh, you don't want to do that, what you want to do is....'  True, but so what?  What's the problem?  Taktik just ignores the posts (lock the thread?  Admins are good at locking threads?)  Taktik says what he is going to do, if it suits you great, if it doesn't tough.  That's what he's doing anyway.  It's his program not ours.  By keeping quiet he tries to make it look more.  Meaningless.  Just created more noise, speculation.

 

Is the attitude: If you can get something out of Renoise (in any carnation) great, if you can't...well...sorry can't create the/your perfect program?

 

Having said all this *pointless wall of text* I hope that Taktik (eventually) implements the things that you want to see in Renoise ffx/Hans and the bug fixes.  I can honestly say that it has never happened to me since 2.7.  Maybe because the way I see myself with Renoise is in its current form way beyond my ability as a composer/musician anyway.  I can't write music that is good enough even for Renoise V1.8.  I find music composition much more difficult than Renoise.

A lot of feature requests ( since 2.0 up to 3.1 )  are  implemented , except for audio tracks and a piano roll ( thank god or that ) 


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Posted 30 June 2018 - 20:11

@ninja_pwnd Sorry I was not clear enough into which direction my unnessecary remark went...I meant the stories revolving around ras and flat earth threads, THAT was paranoia in action, in a way you could not tell between paranoia or trolling anymore.



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Posted 30 June 2018 - 20:59

Let's please stop with the constant lolcat shit-posting, ok? Enough is enough.

We're not in the Off Topic forum here, so please show a little more respect for those who are at least trying to continue some form of actual discussion.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 21:14

Yes ontopic please. So what's next for Renoise?
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Posted 30 June 2018 - 21:18

IMO. Relevant facts as of now:

* There are urgent update requests in relation to OS incompatibility afaik.
* There might be some known bugs of other character to be resolved, but nothing terribly urgent and not plenty of them afaik.
* There are less urgent but relevant feature requests in terms of adhering to industry standards (sidechaining, vst3, parallel processing, et c). Other than this, there are also a TON of less urgent and creative feature requests with a varying degree of sensibility. A lot of good ideas on how to improve the software.
* The Renoise team is currently engaged in another product (Sononym)
* We (or they) don't know when they will return dev resources to Renoise
* Taktik has stated that 3.1 is not the last version, and that he's put some work into HiDPI for the next version.

I don't agree with how the situation has been created and handled, but these are the facts. So what's more to discuss really? The neglect? The sense of entitlement? How the potential of Renoise hasn't been fulfilled?

Seems like a waste of time, unless you're trying to provoke some kind of response from the team :)

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 21:23

Seems like a waste of time, unless you're trying to provoke some kind of response from the team :)


Maybe a sticky topic "Sorry folks we're putting our time and effort in another project now, but we will be back and there will be an Renoise update within a year".

Simple. Better than radio-silence imho.

edit: this topic has been pinned since 2002 with absolutely no purpose. Maybe it's a better idea to spend pinned topics about things that matter.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 21:27

Well.. it's already been stated that they can't give some kind of deadline.

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Posted 30 June 2018 - 21:30

Well.. it's already been stated that they can't give some kind of deadline.


I have to use the "search function" to find that statement right?

Just make an official pinned, honest statement. No more whining. no more forum drama.

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