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#1 danoise

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Posted 11 October 2016 - 13:50

As the longstanding campaign by DJ Terrabyte have reminded me, the ability to play any position of a sample in any pitch is pretty useful when you want get creative with long recordings. 
 
I've found the following trick (which is possible from Renoise 3.1 and onwards) is a nice workaround, which comes close to achieving the original goal while providing some benefits of it's own. 
 
So, enough talk. How does it work? 
 
The first thing you should do is to select an empty instrument and load a long sample of some kind. 
Next, head into the phrase editor, add a new phrase and make it look like the following 
 
tip_any_pitch_sample_column.png?raw=1
 
Enable the sample column (CMD/CTRL+SHIFT+K) and type "01" in the sample column
The number 01 will make the note reference the second sample in the instrument - or, in our case, the first slice. Which doesn't actually exist yet.  
 
Next, we want to add a slice marker. This is really just a question of switching to the waveform editor and selecting the slice tool. 
 
tip_any_pitch_slice_marker.png?raw=1
 
Once the slice is added, you can now play the sample in any pitch, while moving the slice marker around
 
tip_any_pitch_playback.gif?raw=1
 
That's all there is to it. Triggering the slice via a phrase with sample columns makes the whole thing possible. 
 
Granted, this is just one phrase and one slice. But you can add a lot more - I think the maximum number of phrases is 126 - and have instant access to them all by switching phrase (or via program change messages). To further streamline this process  you can use my phrasemate tool (link in signature) to batch import/export phrase presets.
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Posted 11 October 2016 - 21:49

Man what a great find, this is amazing!

Thanks a lot, I needed this for so long.

 

I think Terrabyte will be a happy man too haha


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Posted 11 October 2016 - 21:53

And while you shift the marker - the playing position is shifted, too, a bit choppy though but for real.

 

Very good for sample exploration! Finally not bound to standard speed anymore!


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Posted 12 October 2016 - 15:09

the playing position is shifted, too, a bit choppy though but for real.

 

Yeah, it's harsh sounding  :walkman:


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Posted 17 October 2016 - 23:19

This technique is so powerful and beautifully simple at the same time. Thanks danoise for this brilliant discovery!


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Posted 06 December 2016 - 00:02

Whoah Danoise! you really put a smile on my face! :D

This technique is very powerfull indeed. You can put a start and stop position in there with 2 slices. Huray!!!!

 

While this is not the easiest method of obtaining the state I describe, It sures reaches the sample-exploration levels I imagined.

How can I thank you for discovering this!?

(no, my 'campaign' is not over yet - harrr harrr, devs! did Danoise and I inspire you now?)


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Posted 06 December 2016 - 00:14

Man what a great find, this is amazing!

Thanks a lot, I needed this for so long.

 

I think Terrabyte will be a happy man too haha

and YES i AM pretty happy here :D
 

... now... for the devs to make it native ;-)
But then again, this enables me to search long samples, select tiny fragments of the wave and play them quickly at various pitches, and yay I discover new 'instruments' :D


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Posted 06 December 2016 - 14:49

This is like having the Start/End locators I've been looking for. What a neat idea.

 

Phrases is a bit of a powerhouse; a lot of which I need to explore. It needs a different name!

 

Don't suppose the slice markers can be modulated can they?


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Posted 28 May 2017 - 01:14

now in 2017, with Taktik beeing the only active developer... I respect every day that I can use Renoise - stopped the sobbing about this sample-play-thing-thread...

Renoise is finished ;)


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Posted 29 May 2017 - 23:46

This is pretty cool, thanks for sharing dude! 

 

You can accomplish a pretty similar thing by using sample offsets, but it was pretty cumbersome to work with and you're limited to the resolution that sample offset commands gave you, so this is pretty awesome :)

 

I had some long field recordings I wanted to fuck with for ambient music and now I can do some weird chromatic shit with them!


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Posted 21 June 2017 - 07:20

Great idea! Thanks a lot :)
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Posted 17 July 2017 - 08:10

This is great but is it possible to automate the slice marker position?



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 13:55

This is great but is it possible to automate the slice marker position?

Unfortunately no.


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