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#26 xbitz

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 08:55

Bitwig + Bidule + ReWire + Renoise also quite good candidate IMO

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 12:12

You're absolutely wrong, but nevertheless we do wish you luck in your search for another host that allows you to get funky.Making music is the most important thing here, after all.It doesn't really matter how you do it, or what tools you use, it's only important that you do it.Cheers.

Well, IMHO this is only half the truth. Beside of the obvious greatness of Renoise, it has a bunch of limitations when it comes to details. And these limitations make things like a precise sidechain or a custom spline automation curve impossible, or let's say it's quite hard/painful to reach a level of professionally in the music, because of these limitations. A bunch of people begging for those features for years now, and you constantly are ignoring us. Also we have to wait over a year for Bugfixes.... This of course leads into frustration. I find it quite sad that you guys do not seem to see clearly these last missing 20%.... And this is one reason, why you maybe loosing customers.

So instead believing that those efforts do not calculate for you, why not try to change this perspective, see it as an opportuny?
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Posted 03 December 2016 - 13:13

Which thread was that in? Just curious if anything was said about better support for high-dpi displays, which is really the only thing I miss (badly). Otherwise I'm perfectly happy with Renoise as it is.

Yes, A drastic improvement with the issue of resolution for large monitors would be welcomed by all.

 

On the other hand, Renoise 3.1 can also improve many other things.

 

Seriously. Renoise was already amazing and/or perfect years ago. Even if they hadn't updated it since 2006 I would probably still be using it.

Renoise, even now, is far from perfect. Even now, Renoise 3.1.0 stands halfway. However, there is no reason at all to forego it. Quite the opposite. We should all support the project.

 

I never do not understand people who require annual updates. Why you dont want new update for your guitar?

 

Perhaps because there are many users who widen the horizon and look at other DAWs with magnifying glass. They see that there are a lot of useful features that Renoise does not have. Examples beasts:

  • Piano Roll (or similar for editing merged with the pattern editor), or wide view of the whole song (something like the Matrix Editor but to the beast).
  • Audio Tracks. These two things seem outstanding for years, and are not addressed.
  • Video Edition & soundtrack. It has a lot to do with the overall vision of the song and ask to make slices with it easily.
  • Music Score
  • GUI for higher resolutions and customizable...
  • Drastic improvement of the Automation Editor, keyzones, among others.
  • Drastic improvement with the use of colors, focused on associating the tracks with the instruments.
  • Inclusion of small instrument icons, for tracks and Instrument box.
  • Decent classification of instruments in the instrument box
  • More MIDI commands related to recording routing and editing.
  • More folders to load VST, improve the metronome.
  • Multiplication buttons for Pattern Matrix...
  • List to select templates according to style...
  • More practical examples for LUA code. Yes, we users can create tools It involves learning LUA, but if you like it, you can do great things.
  • Greater integration with tools (a additional fixed area to load, as if integrated, with certain size standards). For example, below the Pattern Editor, as Track DSP pane. Thus the tools appear to be part of Renoise, more integrated.
  • And a long etc.

Yes, maybe all together seems very beast, but it is the only tracker we have decent, and it would be wonderful to improve these things, or at least some of them...

 

Nor is it a question of protest. Renose 3.1 is fine, and allows for many things that other DAWs do not have. But many things can be improved. At the moment, error correction is more than welcome. Everyone will applaud.

 

I think this whole thing has a lot to do with people who look at other DAWs, and understand their capabilities. Also look at the ideas in these forums. There's a lot. And of course, we would all like these features to be in Renoise, the only tracker and serious DAW joined.

 

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Posted 03 December 2016 - 13:19

Since spending time on the old Reason forums, I have found it is customary that a good products fans eventually turn on the developers for not doing enough for to them enough and start thinking and typing in click bait

 

I call it Forum Depression when you spend too much time on forums and not enough time making music

 

I also blame the internet in general, but in an age where everything has daily updates seeing something not have those might make some think the project is dead.

 

But I agree, why would that even matter? If it works, why do you need constant development? Is that the new way to tell if something is good now?

 

Maybe you have to see that Renoise is the only serious tracker. That is, there are no other DAWs that are tracker. And those who love Renoise, want their tracker to improve. It is that potential is bestial. The way to shoot notes by tracker has many advantages. On the other hand, it is also true that its development is slow. It is striking that the GUI is the same since birth. For example.

 

If you do not update, it is like going against the current. You could use very large monitors to control Renoise. Imagine. It's an example of so many...


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Posted 03 December 2016 - 13:28

Well, IMHO this is only half the truth. Beside of the obvious greatness of Renoise, it has a bunch of limitations when it comes to details. And these limitations make things like a precise sidechain or a custom spline automation curve impossible, or let's say it's quite hard/painful to reach a level of professionally in the music, because of these limitations. A bunch of people begging for those features for years now, and you constantly are ignoring us. Also we have to wait over a year for Bugfixes.... This of course leads into frustration. I find it quite sad that you guys do not seem to see clearly these last missing 20%.... And this is one reason, why you maybe loosing customers.

So instead believing that those efforts do not calculate for you, why not try to change this perspective, see it as an opportuny?

 

Good approach! Maybe some comments in other Renoise forums are a little out of place. However, other comments are worthy and fair.

 

On the other hand, I do not think Roppenzo liked to see Shia (and your "Just Do It"). Of course, you have to take things with humor. I hope you have a good day!


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Posted 03 December 2016 - 16:29

You're absolutely wrong, but nevertheless we do wish you luck in your search for another host that allows you to get funky.

Making music is the most important thing here, after all.

It doesn't really matter how you do it, or what tools you use, it's only important that you do it.

Cheers.

Nice, so are you going to give us any info, because you sure aren't bringing releases ?

As for the rest, yes you are completely right, and the OP should go and find a host that fits their needs.

 

I shall repeat this again, just for clarity for everybody, Renoise is a TRACKER, nothing more, nothing less, and will never be anything more, the developers have made it perfectly clear that Renoise is and will remain just a TRACKER.

As it happens, it is a damn fine TRACKER, and as long as they don't randomly jump to bigger version numbers when they have to update to support newer OS releases (Meaning i pay again for nothing) who gives a shit if they don't add features, when they add them they are esoteric features like scripting that are used for a couple of months by 3rd parties, then left unused forever, so enjoy it as it is, it is what it is, it is one of those rarest of software developments, it is actually finished (Besides a few bug fixes here and there)

 

If you need to record linear audio for bands or whatever, WTF are you doing using Renoise, if you want vast compositional tools for big orchestration WTF are you doing using Renoise, use it for tracking, go use something else for everything else.


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Posted 03 December 2016 - 18:04

who gives a shit if they don't add features, when they add them they are esoteric features like scripting that are used for a couple of months by 3rd parties, then left unused forever

 

Bungle, you've pointed this out on a number of occasions. Not sure where you stand on this, seems like you're always speaking for someone else. 

Did you have hopes that scripting would give you feature X, but then it didn't materialize somehow? Or do you feel let down by tools that aren't feeling native enough, or no longer maintained? 

Because, if your argument is that it was a waste of developer resources you're obviously ignoring the fact that, for a lot of people scripting & tools has become absolutely essential.

My perspective on this is that, precisely because the API covers so much of Renoise, it allows the software to be more vertically integrated than pretty much anything else I can think of. And compared to the time it actually took for taktik & co. to implement (remember, scripting was introduced all the way back in 2.6; since then, maintaining it has consumed minimal time on their behalf), I think it was a very smart decision. 

 

And yes, obviously I'm the kind of guy you would expect this kind of answer from. Since I have invested so much time and effort into writing tools, anything else would make me look like a fool, right? Haha, well, I just hope I can see things clearly anyway, because I kind of like to hang out inside this forest. 


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Posted 03 December 2016 - 21:08

renoise is the best. renoise only needs audiotracks, native oscillators (other than samples), and change up the behaviour of the vibrato and tremelo commands...plus some small tweaks like my feature suggestion earlier today.

 

I will be paying for the next update...cos i bought renois at 1.9.2 so, now im waiting for the 3.2 or whatevs.



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Posted 03 December 2016 - 21:29

Renoise scripting is a great idea, no question. Problem is that the API is changed constantly, which leaves a lot of tools stuck to a certain version. And that gives the impression that the whole scripting thing is not well supported anymore. Some of the best tools are not available for the current Renoise version and people realize that. I guess that is what Bungle is talking about. I myself am not investing much into developing new tools because I am afraid they won't work anymore in a year and I might not have the time to maintain them to make them work with the new API. And that's just fine. I'm not criticising this. Just pointing out how it is perceived.
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Posted 04 December 2016 - 00:02

+1 for HiDPI support. This isn't something for high end computers any more, I picked up a second hand laptop in a third world country and renoise looks like it is made for ants. I could live with everything else as it is currently but this support makes renoise not far from unusable without less than perfect workarounds.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 05:00

Maybe you have to see that Renoise is the only serious tracker. That is, there are no other DAWs that are tracker. And those who love Renoise, want their tracker to improve. It is that potential is bestial. The way to shoot notes by tracker has many advantages. On the other hand, it is also true that its development is slow. It is striking that the GUI is the same since birth. For example.

 

If you do not update, it is like going against the current. You could use very large monitors to control Renoise. Imagine. It's an example of so many...

 

I disagree on the improvement aspect, I was gonna write a huge response but I will just say the idea of "improvement through updates" is silly, to think that a program needs to improve is purely a personal want not a need. But we live in an age where that is how we think. Don't blame renoise for a lack of updates, blame yourselves for being tricked to think you need it.

 

~distractions~

 

Though I will say, we also live in an age where people hoard thousands of kick drum samples and have 50 different compressor plug ins. So again, I don't think anything I can say will further this discussion in any way when the norm has been created by excess and buying More Crap™.

 

But I personally have no problem with the lack of interface changes or lack of updates, I've been staring at staff paper daily for the past 7 years (either in reading or writing), I have yet to think "man this hasn't changed much in the past 100 years, RIP staff paper" or something. I think the whole idea of complaining or nitpicking about software like this is daft, it's a trend I hope stops soon, but as consumers become more entitled by the day, and as companies take more and more advantage of the demand, I fear it will only get worse and that more and more software will become garbage.

 

(not to say renoise is perfect, nothing is, just that consumer trends in daws/music making software should not be this way, it's really really stupid and bad for everything)


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 09:49

Regarding the original question of the thread:

 

Maybe try Bitwig. It is the most modern DAW approach with amazing possibilities. Quite similar to Renoise, when it comes to meta device routing. But here Bitwig almost is superior over the Renoise approach: So you can multiple nest containers, have parallel chaining and also complex side chain routing. So as a result I can do really complex meta stuff. Also you can insert any plugin to feedback fx, which turns the bitwig delay into a fx with endless possibilities. 

 

​The gui is really fast and provides constant 60fps, so it's obviously fully gfx hardware accelerated. Rumors say that bitwig 2 could be released on namm 2017 in january. If you visit #renoise chat, you will see that actually most renoisers there already switched to bitwig and maybe can answer you more questions.

 

Of course Renoise is much more advanced in some points over Bitwig, when it comes to scripting/tools, sample mangling or meta manipulation thru formula device. Or pattern editing  :unsure: I seem to be the only human being on this planet who prefers pattern editing over pianoroll.... On the other hand, automation editing is quite retarded in Renoise, but a bliss in Bitwig. There you have everything like spline-curves, fancy pitch curves, high resolution.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 13:45

Of course Renoise is much more advanced in some points over Bitwig, when it comes to scripting/tools, sample mangling or meta manipulation thru formula device. Or pattern editing  :unsure: I seem to be the only human being on this planet who prefers pattern editing over pianoroll.... On the other hand, automation editing is quite retarded in Renoise, but a bliss in Bitwig. There you have everything like spline-curves, fancy pitch curves, high resolution.

u can use Redux (https://www.renoise.com/products/redux) in Bitiwg, formula device is not visible by default but can be copy/pasted from Renoise


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 14:18

eh? no, I want to do maths with bitwig meta signals...


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 14:48

This is cool, have you managed to get Renoise wrapped by Bidule?

 

Bitwig + Bidule + ReWire + Renoise also quite good candidate IMO

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Posted 04 December 2016 - 15:36

I disagree on the improvement aspect, I was gonna write a huge response but I will just say the idea of "improvement through updates" is silly, to think that a program needs to improve is purely a personal want not a need. But we live in an age where that is how we think. Don't blame renoise for a lack of updates, blame yourselves for being tricked to think you need it.

 

...

 

I respect your comment. But maybe you should open your eyes a little. Their way of thinking is contrary to evolution. A parking brake. You can not generalize and think that everyone wants the same thing, that everyone needs the same thing.

 

"improvement through updates" is silly  ...Seriously??? Have you ever tried to program something? Or that you has made mistakes? Or create anything in life, and have not thought that later can be improved? Think of anything.

 

Speaking of programming. Renoise has internal faults and it will continue with bugs or mistakes. An update fixes them, some mistakes. It is not a necessity, it is an obligation as a programmer solve problems with your code. Apart from adding improvements or changing things to improve, it is the law of life, in everything. From prehistory.

 

A parking brake!

 

I wonder, how can anyone think so. You, in your life, is an constant update!!!


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 16:27

The Renoise project is not dead, but indeed it has been confirmed by taktik that they're working on something else. And TBH I personally find that piece of information to be more exciting than an upcoming "Renoise 3.2 beta testing starts" thread. Redux was awesome news for those of us who're also spending lots of time in other hosts. Such a great decision from the developers right there, expanding into the plugin market.

 

Assuming the stuff they're working on is actually related to music production, we wouldn't be able to guess what's coming out next from these sharp minds. Could really be anything from a new plugin to a new software or even an mobile app or some web service or some tracker equivalent of movie editing software (after all, taktik is also the lead programmer of the Sublime HD software, so it's not too far stretched).

 

Now it seems to me that somebody who's using Renoise as his/her ONLY tool for making some noise today in 2016 is either  1) very happy with the product and/or busy composing music, or  2) very narrow minded and/or unable to master other tools out there.

 

Until the next major Renoise release, let's all just learn Lua scripting and make an effort to press the stop button on all those constant demands for more and more and more. It's not a human right to have your favorite music software updated every year. If you can't get the job done in Renoise 3.1, simply find what you need elsewhere and get the job done.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 16:59

Personally I think anybody who's using Renoise as their only tool for making some noise is either  1) very happy with the product and busy composing music, or  2) very narrow minded and/or unable to master other tools out there.

 

 

Well, not sure what the intention was to write this sentence. Maybe just to emphasize that you are the best and most intelligent musician in the world... For me it's often about the length of a workflow. If it tends to become too technical due lot of workarounds, I can loose my flow of creativity. And I already know Renoise very, very well, like other common DAWs, too. And so I can tell, that for me Renoise itself still can break the flow. Even more then any weird combination of DAWs, thru Rewire :P That's for engineers, not for creativity. I am no sys admin.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 17:19

Well, the workflow aspect is the same regardless of which DAW you use. The simple fact is that spending time inside a tracker is very unlike playing freely in a jazz band. Tracking is more like writing and coding. So maybe those users who constantly complain that they can't record their band into multi-channel audiotracks in Renoise would be better off learning some other software for such purposes.

 

Personally for creativity and un-interupted workflow, I still find hardware synths and real instruments to be the best. Just invest in a good workstation and a hardware recording solution and let the inspiration come.


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 22:24

Once I figured out how to get rid of the headaches involved with using Rewire and plugins that have latency, I am really, really happy using Rewire to let a DAW handle audio tracks. It would be pretty silly for Renoise to implement audio tracks (other DAWs do it way better), unless it provided a new take on audio tracks. But just sticking them in when Rewire does the job makes no sense.

 

As for the OP, if frequency of updates is a big indicator of value to you... Reaper is the way to go, for sure.



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Posted 04 December 2016 - 22:55

... but it could be like this in Renoise!   Not so far away.......     :wacko:

 

REMOVED THAT IMAGE


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Posted 04 December 2016 - 23:17

Nah, honestly was a bad ironic joke. I seem to be the only one believing that Renoise could be a comfort car...


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 00:12

... but it could be like this in Renoise!   Not so far away.......     :wacko:

 

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What I first noticed in that picture was those lovely little white flowers. And that's actually a proper vision from my point of view: spread out and flourish! Make new plugins from Renoise code. Make the tracker pattern editor visit other hosts... (Yeah, a Redux-like VST instrument minihost with the pattern editor of Renoise... that would really be evolutionary and awesome...)

 

Now, about Renoise development being dead and all that talk... It's simply a matter of accepting the cold facts of reality here. The most basic fact to accept is that there is not enough time available for the developers to make our dreams come true. Like all the rest of us they probably too have their regular jobs, families, hobbies and a vast array of other priorities -- including other software projects! Maybe they can spare some time to fix a few critical bugs, but beyond that? With a code as complex as Renoise's? Within years? Sorry, but not very likely. It could happen, but let's not count on it.

 

It's probably the best thing to do right now... just give it up, that daydream of Renoise the comfort car or whatever you wish it would become, and you won't feel disappointed anymore. I, too, fell into that trap for quite some time. But I've accepted the hard fact that wishing won't make it so. No amount of new threads filled with arguments or cats in these forums will make it so either.

 

The only thing I can see could change the situation in the future (unless they got a huge amount of cash and started to work full time on the project, getting even more coders involved) would be if taktik & co actually adopted a new approach to their license model, and made it possible for users to license the entire Renoise code (or essential parts of it) just as game developers today use i.e. the Unreal Engine code to build new games, simulations, whatever. They could then publish and maintain the official Renoise project, while essentially saying: "If you want feature X, code it!".


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Posted 05 December 2016 - 02:06

Now, about Renoise development being dead and all that talk... It's simply a matter of accepting the cold facts of reality here.

 

Well, the rust only appeared only because of age. Over time, the DAW market develops and fulfills standards. Only Renoise does not :P  That's what I wanted to express. Really, the other DAWs are so limited as well in other ways if it comes to detail (except Bitwig), I mean that silly Cubase retarded stone-age-mixer or the dust in conception overall (not bitwig), or the hell of an ugly, stuttering gui in reaper (not bitwig), or that kinda nice approach in s1, but not really straight forward (except bitwig). Ok it's all retarded.  I basically want Renoise being bitwig. But with tracker view and better. Is that too much expected? Why??? NO IT'S NOT! JUST DO IT! C'MON GUYS! NOW, FINALLY!!


Edited by ffx, 05 December 2016 - 02:07.

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Posted 05 December 2016 - 02:16

Well, the rust only appeared only because of age. Over time, the DAW market develops and fulfills standards. Only Renoise does not :P  That's what I wanted to express. Really, the other DAWs are so limited as well in other ways if it comes to detail (except Bitwig), I mean that silly Cubase retarded stone-age-mixer or the dust in conception overall (not bitwig), or the hell of an ugly, stuttering gui in reaper (not bitwig), or that kinda nice approach in s1, but not really straight forward (except bitwig). Ok it's all retarded.  I basically want Renoise being bitwig. But with tracker view and better. Is that too much expected? Why??? NO IT'S NOT! JUST DO IT! C'MON GUYS! NOW, FINALLY!!

 

And this thin is not so hard. If DEVs only want it... That's main reason for all things. 


Edited by Andrey Marchenko, 05 December 2016 - 02:32.

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