All of these apologists, I'm left shaking my head at the mental backflips people will do to support people they don't know for a totally unknown and illogical set of reasons.
The Renoise team still take money for selling their product. They have a duty of care to support it. Put up or shut up - if you can't support the product don't sell it. Open source it so it can at least survive and you haven't completely wasted peoples time. The minute the app stops working with a new update, all those hundreds of hours spent building and working with renoise and redux, the instruments, projects etc, become more useless and potential art/music is lost forever. It's not cool building a library you care about only to have the cornerstone you trusted on as a workhorse (in my case, redux) ripped out from you at some point.
It's a great product, by great developers, support it at least, or give it to the world to adopt and change the audio industry in a bigger way. The thing companies sometimes do where they just milk the product for years without support (sylenth guy did it for years and everyone railed against him for that), and then it just disappears or changes completely overnight leaving people stranded (alchemy?) is not just a 'business decision', it's a matter of respect for your customers. I'd never sell a product and then leave my customers stranded. Ever. So stop defending this company guys, you're ACTUALLY not doing anyone any favours least of all yourselves.
They still take money for their product, because it's well worth the money and if you don't want to buy it you can use the demo or buy some other DAW. I can't see why this should be a problem? It's not like a tax you have been forced to pay or anything like that. You can read about all the release dates for the different versions and bug fix updates, there shouldn't be any assumptions that the software is being updated once a month. What you see is what you get.
I think last couple of updates has had a lot of useful stuff for me. I wouldn't mind if they updated the software more often, but i'm glad they don't just make a lot of half arsed updates that doesn't work.
Just because the Renoise team does not involve themselves in the vast amounts of post an threads like this, doesn't mean they don't care. Why would they bother to answer the same questions over and over again?
If you have a customer that calls you every day to ask what the weather is today, even though you work with computers, then you would start ignoring this customer. The same is with threads and post like these here, why would they even bother to give an answer to this when they have already answered it in thousands of different ways earlier only to be asked the same god damn questions again a few days later? Thank god they don't, because that would probably steal a lot of energy that could go towards developing a good product.
Developers do not ignore the forum at all, that's just nonsense. You guys seem to expect that they're almighty gods from the heavens with super abilities. They aren't, they're only human.
You can't buy a cheap featureless car and expect that it's fully upgraded with rear view cameras, parking sensors, air condition and GPS in the next free upgrade.
What's the point in expressing all this negativity towards something that has given us so much and that they have never been greedy about it? All this negativity does not work as fuel towards the project, i would rather belive it has an opposite effect. For how long can someone cope with all this negativity? Why would they bother doing an effort when all you immature kids just complaint anyway?
Please stop complaining and take it for what it is and not for what you want it to be. It's meaningless use of energy.
In comparison, take a look at for instance software like SynthEdit, it costs about the same as Renoise, is completely outdated and terrible piece of software that features so little for the money's worth in comparison.
There are a vast amount of software around that essentially rip you off. Renoise is definately not one of those, it's actually the single best purchase i have ever done. How can i possibly complain about this?
Since i last bought a license for Renoise i have gotten lots of new stuff that i didn't even expect or hope for when i bought it. Now i got a convolver, i got phrases, improved filters and effects, better gui, a much improved instrument structure and MACROS! God dammit, why the fuck are people complaining? I just don't get it!
Edited by TheBellows, 21 December 2016 - 16:38.