Unreproducible crash while stacking groups

Renoise crashed while i was trying to drag a group into another. It just stopped working and i lost my last 3 hours of tracking. :frowning:

Here is the log file if it helps:

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Version : Renoise V3.1.0 (Jan 9 2016)

Date : 2017-01-15

Time : 15:11:27

OS : Windows 10 (x86_64)

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CPU: Found 1 enabled unit(s) with 6 core(s) and 12 logical processor(s) per unit. 6 cores, 12 logical processors are enabled in total.

Application: Showing the splash window…

Application: Initializing the API…

IPP: Detected CPU type: 0x46

MIDI: Initializing DirectMusic…

MIDI: Failed to get the DirectMusicPerformance Interface (error: 80040154). Skipping DirectMusic devices…

Graphport: Initializing Freeimage…

System: Using ‘C:\Program Files\Renoise 3.1.0\Resources’ as resource base directory…

GraphPort: Initializing DirectX…

GraphPort: Initializing the Font Engine…

ReWire Slave: ReWire slave engine link (Local Machine) FAILED to install (RegError: 5)

ReWire Slave: ReWire engine link (Current User) is already installed and up to date…

ReWire Slave: ReWire Panel was initialized…

ReWire Slave: ReWire Slave mode failed to init (no master is running)…

ReWire Master: Successfully opened

Timer: Seems safe to use the ‘QueryPerformance’ counters…

Application: Start running…

Application: Loading the preferences…

Application: Init…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\com.afta8.Snapshot.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\com.renoise.IRCclient.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\com.renoise.Rubberband.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\dk.atte.DeleteUnusedSamples.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\ledger.scripts.ConvertInstrumentNumber.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\mphogacz.renoisetools.VelocityRandomizer.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Users\Ragnar\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.1.0\Scripts\Tools\org.illformed.SlicesToPattern.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Program Files\Renoise 3.1.0\Resources\Scripts\Tools\com.renoise.ToolUpdater.xrnx’…

ScriptingTools: Initializing Scripting Tool: ‘C:\Program Files\Renoise 3.1.0\Resources\Scripts\Tools\com.renoise.UpdateChecker.xrnx’…

DspDevices: Registering native DSP effects…

Audio Plugins: Searching for VST plugins in ‘C:\VSTPlugins’

ASIO: Initializing

ASIO: Trying to open ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

ASIO: LoadAsioDriver … OK

ASIO: ASIOInit … OK

ASIO: Using SampleRate 44100

ASIO: PostOutput is supported

ASIO: FillDriverInfo … OK

ASIO: InputBuffers: 6 available, 2 selected - Type 18

ASIO: OutputBuffers: 4 available, 2 selected - Type 0

ASIO: OutputLatency: 511, InputLatency: 403

ASIO: CreateBuffers … OK

ASIO: ASIOStart … OK

ASIO: Up and running

MIDI: Enumerating Windows MME MIDI devices…

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘MIDIIN2 (IMPACT LX49)’

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Finished device enumeration

MIDI: Creating MIDI server…

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-In device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-In device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-Out device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

Application: Loading the template document…

MIDI: Loading MIDI actions from file ‘C:\Program Files\Renoise 3.1.0\Resources\Scripts\GlobalMidiActions.lua’…

Osc: Loading OSC actions from file ‘C:\Program Files\Renoise 3.1.0\Resources\Scripts\GlobalOscActions.lua’…

Player: Constructing…

Player: Creating slave threads…

Player: 12 threads enabled. 12 CPUs are available.

Player: Start running…

GUI: Creating the Document GUI…

GUI: Successfully constructed

Application: Successfully loaded template document.

GraphPort: Initializing in WindowedMode

GraphPort: Successfully initialized

Application: Init OK

Application: Enter MainLoop…

MIDI: Rescanning MIDI devices…

MIDI: Closing MME Midi-In device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Closing MME Midi-In device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Closing MME Midi-Out device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Enumerating Windows MME MIDI devices…

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘MIDIIN2 (IMPACT LX49)’

MIDI: Adding MME in-device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘Microsoft GS Wavetable Synth’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Adding MME out-device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Finished device enumeration

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-In device ‘IMPACT LX49’

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-In device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

MIDI: Opening MME Midi-Out device ‘QUAD-CAPTURE’

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Nova67P_v1_0_3b-windows\64bit\Nova67P-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘vladg/sound: Nova67P-x64’, Unique ID:1852798561, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Limiter6-x64’, Unique ID:1278637617, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\FerricTDS_1.5.1\FerricTDS.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

Application: Saving ‘DNB.xrns’…

Application: ‘DNB.xrns’ was successfully saved.

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Limiter6-x64’, Unique ID:1278637617, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

Application: Saving ‘DNB2.xrns’…

Application: ‘DNB2.xrns’ was successfully saved.

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Nova67P_v1_0_3b-windows\64bit\Nova67P-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘vladg/sound: Nova67P-x64’, Unique ID:1852798561, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Limiter6-x64’, Unique ID:1278637617, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Nova67P_v1_0_3b-windows\64bit\Nova67P-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘vladg/sound: Nova67P-x64’, Unique ID:1852798561, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Releasing C:\VSTPlugins\Nova67P_v1_0_3b-windows\64bit\Nova67P-x64.dll…

VstPlugs: C:\VSTPlugins\Nova67P_v1_0_3b-windows\64bit\Nova67P-x64.dll was released

VstPlugs: Releasing C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll…

VstPlugs: C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll was released

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\64b\OTT_x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Xfer Records: OTT_x64’, Unique ID:1483101268, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\64b\OTT_x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Xfer Records: OTT_x64’, Unique ID:1483101268, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\64b\OTT_x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Xfer Records: OTT_x64’, Unique ID:1483101268, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

Application: Saving ‘DNB3.xrns’…

Application: ‘DNB3.xrns’ was successfully saved.

VstPlugs: Releasing C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll…

VstPlugs: C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll was released

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\64b\lkjb_Luftikus_x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘lkjb: Luftikus_x64’, Unique ID:1818979403, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Limiter6-x64’, Unique ID:1278637617, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Limiter6-v102b\Limiter6-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Limiter6-x64’, Unique ID:1278637617, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Molot031b\2ch\Molot03-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Molot03-x64’, Unique ID:1296847922, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

VstPlugs: Trying to instantiate C:\VSTPlugins\Molot031b\2ch\Molot03-x64.dll

VstPlugs: Analyzing VST plugin ‘Vladislav Goncharov: Molot03-x64’, Unique ID:1296847922, Version:2400

VstPlugs: Instantiate OK

File Im/Export: Timeout in ‘AbortSamplePrehearing’

RemoteAudioPlugin: Instantiating ‘C:\VSTPlugins\ZynAddSubFX-VDX_VST-2.4.1.496beta\ZynAddSubFX.dll’…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating pipes…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Launching plugin server process…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Connecting to the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating server thread…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Creating plugin instance in the server…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Initializing plugin instance…

RemoteAudioPlugin: Successfully initialized

This is where it just stopped and windows prompted that “Renoise has stopped working”. I can’t see any obvious problem, it didn’t even log that it crashed it seems.

Posted16 January 2017…It is sad that no one would answer!

Only I want to comment on a possibility. R3.1 has an internal bug in group properties. Maybe by dragging a group, there has been some conflict.Renoise 3.1 is not 100% stable, has bugs here and there, most are not able to crash the program.And there are also a lot of VSTi that are able to crash Renoise, when Renoise should not crash for this reason.If you use many VSTi, make sure that Renoise does not crash if the project is important.

In any program it is a serious mistake not to make backups constantly of the work done, even more when it comes to saving human creativity, from any field, be it musical, visual, written…

If you’ve lost 3 hours of work, it’s your fault, not Renoise’s. You should know either Renoise is not 100% reliable. Any program is not 100% reliable.I’m not defending Renoise.But there is no support! Do not wait for them to be solved.You wait many months and pray…

To avoid lost, use Preferences / Plug/Misc / Backup / Auto save backups

There is nothing more frustrating than wasting time!!!