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#26 Lee B. James

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Posted 23 April 2017 - 18:17

Maybe you like to checkout the Lauflicht Step Sequencer plugin then :)

 

http://www.renoise.c...encer-lauflicht

 

Thanks for this, but I think I have got my terms confused. When I said I want step sequencing, I just meant to be able to enter my melodies 1 note at a time, rather than playing everything in real time - that's how all trackers work. I thought that was called step sequencing, but perhaps not.



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Posted 23 April 2017 - 19:13

 

  1. Yes, Reniose has an "Automation Editor Panel"  in the lower area.

 

That's great! I've just looked it up and this is exactly what I wanted :)

I've just realized that I didn't know what "automation" meant. I thought it's when you make live adjustments, and the computer remembers it. But in fact "automation" just means envelopes.

 

Ideally I would have liked the automation to be actually ON the sequencer, rather than in a separate window. Then I could see everything all together. I wonder if I'm alone in wanting this?

 

Adjusting the speed of a selection

It's a shame there's no way to adjust the speed of a selection. I was hoping to import a few MIDI parts and mix them together. But I can't do that unless I can adjust their speed.

I am thinking of submitting this as a feature request: the ability to adjust the speed of a selection. It would seem like a very useful and powerful feature which is very easy for the developers to implement, since it's just basic calculation.
 

 

 

You have not bought a license from Renoise yet? What are you waiting for?  ^_^

 

 

I'm sure I will do, but taking it slow. I haven't even started using the demo yet. I am quite a slow, thoughtful man. and like to think everything through carefully before moving forward. Also I am very poor. £70 may be cheap for a DAW, but it's still not something I can afford to spend without being sure.

 

 

  1. GUI for hight resolutions (this is a "half confirmed topic" for the next important version).

High resolutions don't apply to me, my monitor is 1440 x 900. I'd love a full HD monitor but can't afford one right now.



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Posted 23 April 2017 - 22:41

Adjusting the speed of a selection

It's a shame there's no way to adjust the speed of a selection. I was hoping to import a few MIDI parts and mix them together. But I can't do that unless I can adjust their speed.

You can set the tempo/speed anywhere in the pattern using the command

 

if you mean this.

 

See effect command list

http://tutorials.ren...Effect_Commands



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 03:51

You can set the tempo/speed anywhere in the pattern using the command

Thank you but no, those are global commands, I'm not talking about changing the speed of the music, I'm talking about changing the speed a selection plays at - expanding and contracting the notes and changing the delays.

Let's say I record a short piano riff to go into my song, but I record it a little slower than the song's tempo. When I paste it into my song, it's a little too slow and I need to squash it slightly to match the speed of the song.

Or let's say I recorded two different versions of a song at different tempos, and I want to take tracks from both and combine them together.

Surely I should just be able to select any section of music and make adjustments to the speed it plays? To me this seems like a basic function.

Or, another application is, let's say I have a track with arpeggio notes playing every quarter note, and I simply want to hear how it sounds with third notes instead of quarter notes? I should just be able to select my notes and stretch it by 33% so the notes become thirds.



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 09:48

You could put it into a phrase.
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Posted 24 April 2017 - 13:54

(Just to note I've changed my avatar - thought I would use my own photo instead of being all anonymous :) )

 

You could put it into a phrase.

Hey thanks, I didn't know about phrases - in other words, nested tracks. :)

It's nowhere near a perfect solution, but definitely is a solution! (I assume a phrase can have a different tempo to the main song.)


Edited by Lee B. James, 24 April 2017 - 13:55.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 14:12

Hey thanks, I didn't know about phrases - in other words, nested tracks. :)

It's nowhere near a perfect solution, but definitely is a solution! (I assume a phrase can have a different tempo to the main song.)

 

I have not tried it, but I think you will have the same problem with the phrases. It will be necessary to "stretch" or "contract" each note. Phrases should be in the same measure as in the pattern editor.

 

I think the only feasible solution is to create a tool that does something like that:

  1. Select multiple rows of a track with the mouse (obviously, having written notes).
  2. In the tool a option to use a variable number to increase or decrease the distance between notes. I suppose there may be a match between distance of patterns and BPM and LPB values. Thus, there could be time specific values between two notes, to use as a basis.
  3. When changing the value in the tool, use a modify compass button. In this way, the notes are automatically separated or contracted, depending on the case. The truth is I think I have seen a tool that already does this. Or something similar.

 

I am interested in this subject. It could serve to double or quadruple the number of rows in a same composition, to have greater resolution in each pattern, involves growing or reducing the number of rows in the pattern.

 

Note: In the phrases you can change the LPB (resolution, Lines Per Beat), not the BPM (tempo, Beats Per Minute). The problem is the BPM.


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 16:18

Raul,

Glad to know I'm not the only one who thinks this would be a useful tool. :) It wouldn't be too difficult to code - it's just simple calculations.

 

The tool would use delays to create an exact transformation of the speed of the music, allowing you to make really slight adjustments to a track's playing speed which would be particularly useful for combining tracks from different sources or different recording "takes".

You could also use it to quickly convert a sequence of notes into "triplets" (eg 3 notes per 4 beats). That's something I often have to do in trackers.

 

There could also be a "rough mode" which only moves the notes to the nearest whole line, without using delays?

I know you said you don't like having lots of delays in your music. I agree in a way. For most of my music I like to be precise and have no delays. But for certain tracks, like a "flowing" piano track, I like it to be completely smooth and natural, and the delays make it sound more "organic". Plus the delays can always be deleted.

"Reduce delays" tool?

Was also thinking it would be good to have a tool which lets you select a bunch of notes which have delays and you can drag a slider to "reduce the delays" which moves the notes closer to the nearest whole line. If you slide it all the way down to 0% then the notes jump completely to the nearest whole line and the delays vanish. I don't suppose there is already a tool like that in Renoise?

Sorry if I am asking too many questions!



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 16:43

Lee look for "nudge" in the advanced editor. Or quantisation to remove the delays or to restrict them to certain measures. To nudge phrases, there was probably an oversight that the a.e. isn't available there, but you can copy/paste to pattern and then nudge. I also believe there were tools to note nudge/shift in other/more sophisticated ways?



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Posted 24 April 2017 - 18:51

Yes, as Raul points out, phrases work on LPB - which are whole number ratios.

This works for playing a phrase in double tempo, dotted/triplet (1/3, 2/3, 3/1, 3/2 - and so on) - but you can't set the phrase to play with a separate BPM. So, no 126 bpm slowly drifting away from 128 bpm (or whatever the tempo is in Steve Reichs Piano Phase :) ) 

 

However...

 

The tool would use delays to create an exact transformation of the speed of the music, allowing you to make really slight adjustments to a track's playing speed which would be particularly useful for combining tracks from different sources or different recording "takes".

 

Yes, I believe you gentlemen are looking for the Flexible Pattern Resizer:

http://forum.renoise...attern-resizer/

 

Works on a pattern basis...so if you need to resize just a part of a pattern, use the built-in "split and join pattern" feature.

Split: Pattern Editor > rightclick > Pattern > Split 

Join: Pattern Sequence > rightclick > Organize > Join

 

If you want to record multiple takes and select the best one:

http://www.renoise.c...-clone-patterns <- essential tool if you ask me, allows you to "endlessly record" on top of a looped pattern sequence

http://www.renoise.c...ols/noodletrap/ <-- allows you to record into phrases instead of pattern. 


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Posted 26 April 2017 - 13:04

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Yes, I believe you gentlemen are looking for the Flexible Pattern Resizer:

http://forum.renoise...attern-resizer/

 

Works on a pattern basis...so if you need to resize just a part of a pattern, use the built-in "split and join pattern" feature.

Split: Pattern Editor > rightclick > Pattern > Split 

Join: Pattern Sequence > rightclick > Organize > Join

...

 

Yes, I knew there was a tool!  ^_^  In fact, I already had downloaded, but I have not yet had the need to use it seriously...

Maybe rescue some theme of new age in IT format (Impulse Tracker) to convert, and this tool is useful also. Surprisingly I have very old themes saved in diskette :o.

 

Thanks for the info!


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