This is a topic discussed many times, especially the use of folders. I think there is a big consensus here. We all want a better instrument box to be able to classify instruments by type. To start, forget the tools! Some tools only stop Renoise's internal development and some are only a patch of certain features that Renoise should include internally.
Just a couple of notes, because this has a lot of travel:
- Tabs can be very useful, but if the instrument box could be wider (in horizontal).
- The best option to classify instruments in a box, is that everything is in sight. For that you have to take advantage of the vertical direction. This is where the use of folders is ahead.
- And... the instrument box is used by everyone, to 100%, nobody gets away. So it's a very important panel!
I love the tabs! But can be a scarce resource for lots of groups. If you use many groups or types of instruments, tabs placed horizontally can be a problem (point 2).
The horizontal tabs could work this way:
[ ALL ] [ << ] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ TAB5] [ >> ]
- [ ALL ], would appear all the instruments... maybe in a disorderly way?
- [ << ] [ >> ]. tab browsers to the right or left. They would appear automatically if 4 tabs are exceeded (>4).
- [ TABX ]. Could be an unlimited number. They would be tabs that are added by the user. For this, the user will need:
- a tab add button,
- another tab remove button,
- and another tab rename button.
- These three buttons could be placed vertically to the left of the instrument box.
The number of the instrument within each tab, must be preserved. But at the same time, you should allow drag and drop, and multiple drag, to be able to sort the instruments within the tab, including the tab [ ALL ].
Finally, allow drag and drop tabs, so you can sort them as well.
The instrument box is an intrinsic feature of the song. I think it's not possible to build anything with a tool using LUA. This is a topic directly from Taktik, the instrument classification information must be saved in the song (song.XRNS).
So the tabs would look like this:
- [ ALL ]
- [ ALL ] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ]
- [ ALL ] [ << ] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ TAB5] [ >> ] ... or [ALL] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ TAB5] [ << ] [ >> ]
The first case would have no tabs. The second only up to 4 tabs. The third case, more than 4 tabs.
Another option would be to add a menu on each tab that includes:
- Rename tab
- Remove tab... very easy.
And it would only be necessary to include a single button apart to add tab. Maybe this way [ + ]:
- [ ALL ] [ + ]
- [ ALL ] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ + ]
- [ ALL ] [ << ] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ TAB5] [ >> ] [ + ] ... or [ALL] [ TAB1] [ TAB2] [ TAB3 ] [ TAB4 ] [ TAB5] [ << ] [ >> ] [ + ]
The use of folders seems more logical here, but if the design of the eyelashes was well done, it would be very effective. However, the use of folders allows you to expand and collapse, allowing a clear vertical order. Of course, you should include add, rename, sort (drag and drop) and delete folder. When you drag a folder, you are dragging all the instruments inside. The usual topic is to maintain the relationship of numbers with the compound in the pattern editor. The instrument number.
These three characteristics are, in the beginning what I would most like Renoise to innovate:
- Improve the GUI for compatibility with high-resolution displays and better graphical, fluid performance graphic too!
- Improve automation editor drastically. This has been a very dramatic topic.
- And improve the instrument box, even with the use of colors. I'll say it a thousand times. Renoise does not take advantage of the colors!!!
With Renoise costs find a relationship between track and instrument, and perhaps the reason is that it does not capture the colors. If an instrument, for example a VSTi is routed to a track, it should have the possibility to paint it of a color, corresponding to the track. Be able to assign colors and be flexible. This could also be an advantage for using tabs and maybe using groups in the instrument editor. For example, blue percussion TAB then blue "percussion" GROUP.
All this would accommodate: another option would be to add a menu on each tab that includes:
- Rename tab
- Remove tab... very easy.
- Color tab
- Color instrument slot (obviously not empty)
I think all this would not be very complicated to build, because it is considered "an added". If you load a song with the recent version (Renoise 3.2 with these features included, for example) into an older one ( Renoise 3.1.1), you simply would not have any tabs or colors.
I insist on topic of the colors, because I have used other DAWs recently, and more recent versions exploit the topic of colors quite well, to relate tracks or patterns and instruments or simply to differentiate them separately.
I hope that Taktik sees this subject and studies it carefully.
Note: renaming an empty slot is simply ridiculous!!! I do it often, but because there is no choice. Yes, it may help, but it is another sign of conformism... Ridiculous ways to do it:
- ============ PERCUSSION ============
- --------------------- PERCUSSION ---------------------
- ---- PERCUSSION ----
- ********** PERCUSSION **********
- _______ PERCUSSION _______
- ^^^^^^^^ PERCUSSION ^^^^^^^^
- %%%% PERCUSSION %%%%
- ////////////// PERCUSSION //////////////
- [[[[[[[[[[[[[[ PERCUSSION ]]]]]]]]]]]]]
- :::::::::::::: PERCUSSION ::::::::::::::
- .............. PERCUSSION ..............
- 1) ------ PERCUSSION ------
- 2) ------ SYNTH -----
- ----------------------- <--separator
- ========================= <--separator
- etc, etc, etc
Which one do you use?
Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 22 May 2017 - 12:28.