Ich bin ein Renoiser
What made Renoise 'click' for you?workflow stubborn and its the sheeet what year is this screw ableton im impressed works for me
Posted 14 August 2017 - 19:28
i pretty much like the whole ui. especially the top down tracking nad the the whole "nerdy" hexnumber stuff. seems to me more close to a traditional composing approach than
all these wave-preview left to right scroller daws with its midi-rolls.
though renoise has its little pesky handicaps and meanwhile i have ableton and still bitwig1.X, i ALWAYS start renoise when sketching out stuff. my renoise fodler has easily the double to triple amount of
unfinished sktches or finished tracks than both other daws combined. i have bought redux too and still dont regret it^^.
i really hope for a bright future with renoise development, but if thats not happening? so what? its already a damn good workinghorse.
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Posted 27 August 2017 - 15:11
I used MIDI Studio and XTracker (FT2 clone) in 1997 (what I could get my hands on), the went with Modplug Tracker in 1998, and still use it nowadays.
When I looked for new software in 2003 and after, I found Renoise, and saw a quite interesting demo of Renoise. However, at that time, I felt it lacked something.
2004 was the year I tried Fruity Loops. Loved the sound mixing quality compared to Modplug Tracker, but the app was hard to use.
2005, started using VSTs and VSTi in Modplug Tracker just before Olivier Lapicque stepped out and gave it to the community.
Used it extensively until I switched from Windows to Linux in 2008.
The app was still perfectly usable in Linux, but... Wine makes you not want to work with Windows apps. I don't know how it does that.
During some period I did experiments with MadTracker, Buzz and Psycle (hated them) and BeRoTracker (a Modplug Tracker clone).
Nothing better than OpenMPT, which was improving during that time.
Fast forward to 2015 and Renoise 3.1 beta.
Tried the demo, expecting good progress from the last time I tried it. And boy what I found was excellent: good GUI, excellent sound,
built-in filters, automation, VST support (note that as 90% of the VSTs are made for Win and Mac, I have to use a VST bridge in Linux, which is a PITA),
and the "1 pattern per channel" paradigm where you can assemble and reuse existing channels in other patterns.
It really is not that far from a DAW, and no other soundtracker software can compare to it. By far. That's what made me purchase the damn thing.
Edited by artscoop, 27 August 2017 - 15:16.
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Posted 02 September 2017 - 16:25
I learned to produce on Cubase but back in 2007 I couldn't afford it. I wound up with Mackie Tracktion, than I got Ableton 5 on sale. I still thought very much I needed Cubase.. I was trying everything out back then, "max, numerology, psycle, buzz." I downloaded the Renoise demo sometime in 2008/2009 - could not figure it out. However, I soon joined these forums, and purchased my license...
Its funny.. I can definitely afford Cubase nowadays - things in my life have changed quite a bit, and for the better.
but I feel like, Renoise is what I know now. I started with this program I was basically brand new to production, 1 year, 1.5 years into production. I do not know any other program as well as I know this thing. Even after a long break, and the last version I used was really 2.9 - even though I kept my license current and am currently registered to 4.1
I needed to buy a new computer recently. I had downloaded this a couple of times in the last few months but my office machine is not suitable for music production. However, I've been playing around with Renoise on the new machine I got and like I still know this thing. I can totally see all the new features, and know exactly where I'm at. How everything works. It feels so natural to me. I hope the program is available for a long time.
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Posted 01 November 2017 - 14:50
i can not really use a computer without a file manager like total commander
only recently it dawned on me that it with renoise and audio behave very similar
Edited by random, 01 November 2017 - 15:01.
Posted 01 November 2017 - 20:34
Renoise has entered my body and eaten my soul, and i think it's too late for exorsism.
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Posted 01 November 2017 - 23:35
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( Renoise Tricks : Ringmod Synth | Tuned Devices | Comb Filter | Mid/Side Processing | Filter Slopes )
( Renoise Scripts : Slices To Pattern | Pattern Resizer | Automation From Notes | Quick Transpose | Pattern Length From Sample | Fractional Notes | Scala .SCL Loader )
Posted 02 November 2017 - 16:37
The Sampler is what won me over with Renoise. It's the best Sampler I've ever used -- easiest to use, most fun to use, and incredible functionality with the modulation sets and FX chains. Using it feels creative and fun, after years of using software samplers that felt frustrating and confusing, etc.
The entire Renoise UI is a work of great beauty and incredible, streamlined functionality. I adore it. It looks fantastic, and once you've learned the program, everything feels like it's *exactly where it should be*. It's amazing how many DAWs never feel that way, no matter how well you know them.
It has my favorite Browser of any DAW, for real. It just works. No weird bloat, you get direct interfacing with your OS hard disk, no weird "scanning" of your files, and it's easy to navigate, feels natural....again, this is a major failing of so many other DAWs.
It freaking rules.
Edited by m.arthur, 02 November 2017 - 16:38.
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Posted 04 November 2017 - 18:02
I agree with the guy above and for me it's largely because it's so different from the rest of them and it doesn't have a piano roll - I hate piano rolls, I hate everything about them - nothing kills creativity more for me than fiddly shitty piano rolls. Piano rolls suck. I own a few DAWs but for the most part they don't get used. Not sure why I wasted money on crap like Tracktion or Studio one (luckily I got this cheap, fucking crash fest) I can write 5 songs in Renoise in the time it takes me to write one in any other software.
Posted 04 November 2017 - 22:01
I think I'm drawn to it because it all feels very crisp and precise, and has a very nice workflow, it all feels very sensible despite it being extremely powerful.
I also like that it runs on Linux, I don't buy any software these days unless it is availabe natively on Linux - and thankfully Renoise is!
Really wish they'd release an optimised Raspberry Pi version of it though.
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Posted 18 November 2017 - 07:49
i used FL studios for a year or so, but it just wasn't my thing. I hated the way the automation clips were too short, the values were unspoken of, the layout was so hidden and you had to memorize hotkeys for the mixer, playlist, sequencer, and more. plus, I couldn't figure out any other way to get sound out of Edison without having to export the sound, and no way would I duplicate a file just for fadey bits.
Everything was slidey and gelatinous, and my overall musical sound kept on looping back to itself. it kept doing things I didn't want it to; playing sounds for too long, lying about mixes, hiding automations, countless settings in presets that would take half an hour to get out with no defaults, etc.
but most detrimentally, the "swing bar" was just too tempting.
so I looked at one of my fav artists, venetian snares (i'm sure he gets brought up a lot), and downloaded a demo for 1.5.2.
now I'm scared of 3.1 and have a bit of a crisis.
good software stuff, feels so real!
Posted 20 November 2017 - 10:12
hmm, late to this thread, like most other things, haven't been around here a lot for a while.
my renoise story is i was an old school folky muso since long back in the day, and a lover of almost any style of good music, and had been working in computers for a long time, and was looking to combine my love of music with my computer knowledge to maybe make some sounds for fun one day.... well, this was quite a few years ago now.
so i started the long learning process that never ends... and really early on stumbled across renoise because it ran on linux which was my preferred platform. i hadn't used any daw before,
i went on the renoise irc channel and talked with a few of the guys who used to hang there at the time. my questions were basically along the lines of "so renoise has a tracker heritage, if i learn this as my first daw will it break my brain or something so i won't be able to learn the more common tools??" heh heh, well after being asked what kind of music i would like to eventually be able to make (which was experimental electronic at the time) the guys in renoise irc encouraged me to just jump into renoise first (no suprise! ha ha) and so i did.
well these many years later i've played around with every kind of daw and all the other kinds of related digital musical software, and i can only say that still every time i come back to renoise it seems like a comfortable place that i'm not figthing against to try to enjoy playing with music.
... eh, so, to cut an already way too long story shorter i never did the historical trackers at all, and i think back then i learnt a lot more in a much quicker way by starting with a sensible organised piece of software like renoise where all the underlying digital music technical issues were so close at hand, so close to the surface.
anyway let me end by adding my thanks to taktik and you others for this good and fun place to explore sounds.
Posted 20 November 2017 - 22:35
In the past i used to play with Impulse Tracker, love it so much and the super fast way of work.
Nowadays, it looks like that Renoise have no direct competitors. It is modern and pretty much convenient.
But sometimes i feel weird and begin to think that Impulse Tracker was superior in terms of ergonomics and overall speed of work.. Maybe it is just nostalgic feelings..
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Posted 25 November 2017 - 13:06
Simply enough : I find trackers to be a fantastic way to force you to use your ears. It's not visually appealing, whereas on traditional DAWs I often find myself drawing things I know works rather than listening.
It's also great to punch values on the keyboard to get a random playground to work with. I made my best music with Buzz bach in the days.
Renoise has all this, but in a beautiful modern package. I love the animations, the colors.
I also love the way everything has its place : your have your structure in one place, the notes in another one and your sounds in yet another. It makes the transition from demo to final song seamless : small rearranging, clean rerecord of your sounds, mix and voila. You don't have to start over.
Also, after 10years of ever painful attempts at making music on linux using only FLOSS, when I tried Renoise, it looked like the most professional and solid DAW ever made by mankind (Yeah, music on linux is THAT bad… I know some people like this OS but —you know— there are also people who love to get their nuts whipped… you can't always trust opinions).
Here you go.
Edited by Tumulte, 25 November 2017 - 13:07.
Posted 27 November 2017 - 21:23
You know, I'm not actually sure.
Generally, but perhaps mistakenly, I consider myself more of visual person, so I should in theory be more at home with the vertical DAWs and music making tools, especially the ones that are canvas-style like FLS, Bitwig and Live. But for some reason the only things that I made on a modern computer and that vaguely resemble tracks, or something that may become tracks, I created in Renoise, and it feels the most familiar to me. It did so right from the start, but I don't know why. I think it may be because it's so immediate, a more direct interface between the user and the machine. It's no-fuss, no multiple windows, all very compact and distraction-free. Renoise is closer to hardware than other DAWs, even the ones that claim to replicate hardware.
None of the other DAWs that I have tried feel so much like an actual instrument. None of them does, really. They don't trigger creativity in me. I like that the information is all there, right in the center. No need to click through boxes to locate relevant data. The lack of a graphical piano role makes some aspects harder, but in turn the textual interface also makes me think and focus more, which is probably why I get results. I don't just fiddle endlessly with little rectangles and then have a clip and nothing else. In Renoise, I start with just a pattern too, but it's more than just a clip. It's like an organism that evolves. A seed, not just a leaf.
Maybe background does matter a little. My first machine was an Amstrad CPC 6128, back in 1984, running CP/M as an OS. It had no GUI, just a shell. Software was hard to come by, so I learned how to program, and I had fun writing little sound tools that I would then embed programs that faked the shell and that I put on the demo machines in an electronics market, waiting for customers to press any key that would trigger a sound cacophony. It was glorious, like in those hidden camera shows, and I wasn't even expelled from the store! Later, when I had an Atari ST, I explored trackers, but I don't remember sticking with them. By that time my interest in coding and music had diminished and I was into the fascinating online world (BBS or mailboxes, as we called them). I did listen to a ton of MODs and was fascinated by demos, but didn't have the focus and discipline to learn how to make my own. It was only in 2012 when I decided to get into making electronic music, and well, it's been slow-going. But the most (any) success I've had with Renoise, and while I don't regret buying the five other DAWs I have or had licenses for, I think Renoise really is the only music making software I need.
Posted 28 November 2017 - 01:02
Edited by encryptedmind, 28 November 2017 - 01:03.
Posted 19 December 2017 - 22:26
Really inspiring to read such great stories almost six months on - for me the main thing that inspires Renoise for me still is the keyboard work flow, reliance on my own ears and the Architect theme - a sheer wonder on my aging eyes after the vomit of Ableton...
Freaking joy to work on! Bring on teh Funk
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