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Posted 31 July 2017 - 18:07

The main developer is working on other software.


that's what's been told. no proof of that.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 19:00

Eduard Mueller's LinkedIn profile-

https://www.linkedin...ueller-b9374b7/

He did work for Ableton and ended the stint at 2008. Currently works at both Renoise and Supramotion, based in Berlin. His profile is surprisingly sparse in terms of details and only 61 core connections, which is nice btw, he knows what he wants or needs, and not very privy to outsiders.

Must be other update in these forums though, his number of posts is exponentially huge...

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 19:06

@raul: "This bug was detected in late January 2016 (1 year and 6 months ago). It is already in the list of bugs solved. The problem is that the new version with all these bugs resolved from the list will arrive probably after 2 years or even more"

I would be surprised, but I replicated @dblue's steps and tried to get the bug come out in different ways on the automation panel, and it looks to be fixed already. Not sure why is it 'solved' but still in revision?

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 21:43

that's what's been told. no proof of that.

 

Ok, but for me it is enough that taktik mentioned it, and I think that danoise and dblue too. I trust in the words of these men. I do not believe at all that someone has the need to lie.

 

If there is no news about the new taktik software, it will be because there is nothing finished, and they will not want to announce anything. This is called "behind closed door" software development.

 

Eduard Mueller's LinkedIn profile-

https://www.linkedin...ueller-b9374b7/

He did work for Ableton and ended the stint at 2008. Currently works at both Renoise and Supramotion, based in Berlin. His profile is surprisingly sparse in terms of details and only 61 core connections, which is nice btw, he knows what he wants or needs, and not very privy to outsiders.

Must be other update in these forums though, his number of posts is exponentially huge...

 

This is the first time I see a taktik photo  :lol:

 

@raul: "This bug was detected in late January 2016 (1 year and 6 months ago). It is already in the list of bugs solved. The problem is that the new version with all these bugs resolved from the list will arrive probably after 2 years or even more"

I would be surprised, but I replicated @dblue's steps and tried to get the bug come out in different ways on the automation panel, and it looks to be fixed already. Not sure why is it 'solved' but still in revision?

 

I have not checked this bug, but it would not be strange that the list of pending bugs is not 100% updated. Maybe a slip? By the way, have you tried it with the relevant operating system?

 

Probably more errors have been detected already exist and there is no advertised on this list of pending bugs.

 

Meanwhile, Renoise Scriping and Tools Forums are empty! Encourage to learn LUA and to share tools or tests of tools :D. Meantime!


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 22:13

... seriously ? you're joking ?

I actually feel this way too; i boot it up, i can do whatever the heart desires, its flawless and stable.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 08:46

I'm wondering if the next update will be a bugfix update or a new feautures update though..
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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:32

I'm wondering if the next update will be a bugfix update or a new feautures update though..

 

I understand that just bugfix, there is no major change or addition. Until Taktik returns, there are no more plans. In fact, I think they were planning to release version 3.1.1 months ago, but in the end they have delayed it. But that's what I think. Do not expect responsible people to be very detailed here.

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 09:54

@encryptedmind. If you want to investigate more, install the demo of this software:

 

Sublime HDhttps://www.supramot...tware/downloads

 

It is a video editor for Blu ray and DVD, which has blatant similarities with Renoise. You look at the GUI. The last version 2.1.1 is in 2012, price 242€ (include VAT).

 

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 14:05

@encryptedmind. If you want to investigate more, install the demo of this software:

Sublime HD: https://www.supramot...tware/downloads

It is a video editor for Blu ray and DVD, which has blatant similarities with Renoise. You look at the GUI. The last version 2.1.1 is in 2012, price 242€ (include VAT).

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Manual: https://www.supramot...e_HD_Manual.pdf

Yeah the software is nice and some elements of the UI have parallels with Renoise :)

Am getting into Lua 4th chapter now and will start filling the scripting forums very soon with noob questions and I have a couple of tool designs already in place.. will start rolling them out now 😀

Btw @raul, are you comfortable with XStream models scripting? I think the chord analyser logic is all set with me but getting into Lua, XStream, APIs at the same time will not be too productive. I can focus on Lua and Renoise tools, but XStream seems to go on a related but deeper tangent. Maybe you can write a mini chord analyser model and I can take it from there? Or else I will just have to wait for me to turn up with it in time 🤕

For a mini chord analuzer, the workflow is read midi input and process the input to display a text string that tells the chord type. Midi input is processed by Xstream, also the note selection arrays etc are readable, but some amount of Lua programming needs to be done to make the basic logic work. It can work just on C,F,G, Am chords for now. The simplest way is to read the note string only and ignore the octave, search for the preset chord note sequence in an array or list and for every correct match in the table it prints out the chord name. The octaves are not needed since they can be all normalised to the note name itself. This would mean inversions are taken care of but for now a 'simplifying chord analyser' would just be perfect step in the right direction. So when user presses A,C,E he reads Am from the model output.

Btw I already figured out how to make my own Renoise tool keybindings and menu entries where I see that I can change the menu strings or menu placement just by editing the script text. I moved the Tap Tempo tool from the tools menu to my Pattern Editor context menu, exactly as I would like it and I changed the menu strings of some tools to funny names or acronyms, nice to play with this stuff-location and description. I also can read all the renoise.song() objects and print all string values obtained. I also ran many of the functions from the math library and the os class like os.execute() which I made execute the calc.exe just by feeding "calc.exe" as the string which means it reads the environment variables and can run system application directly; the os.clock(), and io class functions. rprint() and oprint() for recursive and object displays of Renoise objects. I checked the invoke parameter in the tool script to call the main function. Also am using the scripting terminal with its superb ease of use in terms of tool integration,reload all tools feature, Lua syntax colouring, XML viewer and simple key commands for run(Ctrl+R), editor(ctrl+E) and terminal(ctrl+T). You access the tool scripts that Renoise loads, on the left, where in addition to the resources the main.lua is where all the action happens and the manifest.xml file is where you set the tool description properties. I also read the note vales from the terminal by feeding the Renoise.song() properties and
functions like, pattern [1].track[1].line[1].column[1] (if I remember correctly while typing now) where I can see the note string and the note number (in another parameter) of the note column and the line in query. Great stuff! I can also set the value similarly just by feeding a string like 'C-4' or a number like 60 to the same line. Thus if I encapsulate the setter/getter inside a print() function I can query it and without using print I can set the values as in a regular function. Also all the indexes are from 1. The changes are immediately reflected in the Renoise Patten editor. Similarly transport controls are done programmatically by start stop functions. A start from line number function is also there and I can also change the tempo using one of Renoise.song() functions. Super deep library for sure, certainly in terms of supporting the core Renoise features.

Really having fun reading all the work done so far. @joules tools are the simplest and very informative, as well as the Tap Tempo tool and Ledger scripts. Finally I get to see what the Find and Replace tool is working behind like and a peek at the more daunting ones from @danoise and yourself and a few others.

The viewbuilder object is used to populate GUI elements and the example tools show well enough how to use them. Suddenly Renoise tooling looks very feasible for newcomers as well :)

So now if I want to make a tool that can increment or decrement a value, all I need to do is store the 'selected lines' range value and use that length to read the lines to a table. Once in the table, the column types can be individually accessed as 3,4,5,6,7,8 from a single line. If there are single note columns the V/P/D/FX follow a linear incrementing index system making programmatic access easy. From there a bit of sorting and just feeding the new set of values and writing the table back should work. Much like the Find and Replace kind of codes but with a few more changes.

Now I just need to practice enough Lua to know how to read tables and how to feel comfortable doing it. Also a few nice things about Lua, you read the length of a string by a #prefix. Sweet. You can use long strings by using double square brackets [[]] and putting any thing between that to display exactly as intended. Lua is also quite deep so I have just scratched the surface.


I have one question(of many) though right now, how do I feed the path of a file in order to use the File.readbytes() function since I am giving a fully qualified name like C:\1.svg but it is not reading anything. Is it only reading files from the current tool directory or maybe it needs a specific path format string?

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Posted 01 August 2017 - 15:24

@encrypteredmid. Now you will have a very big problem. Once you get into LUA & API it's like a drug. You will want to know more and more :D . In a week studying things, you're already building tools. What it costs is to boot. Now he has.

 

In order not to divert the subject, try to use the forums of LUA to comment and ask questions on that topic. If you have questions about XStream, you'd better ask its author at the appropriate topic. XStream is a great tool, but very complex, and use custom libraries, cLib, vLib, xLib. It is a very deep forest...


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 22:18

@encrypteredmid. Now you will have a very big problem. Once you get into LUA & API it's like a drug. You will want to know more and more :D. In a week studying things, you're already building tools. What it costs is to boot. Now he has.

In order not to divert the subject, try to use the forums of LUA to comment and ask questions on that topic. If you have questions about XStream, you'd better ask its author at the appropriate topic. XStream is a great tool, but very complex, and use custom libraries, cLib, vLib, xLib. It is a very deep forest...


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Posted 04 August 2017 - 23:12

Hello All,
 
 
Always the same question: Any update planned soon ?
 
 
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A satisfied Renoise-user asked a question, developers.

Answer it.

That's the least you guys could do.

edit : this topic had answered most by persons who don't have the answer; (Raul (ulneiz), Conner_Bw, sokoban, joule, me, stygmate, Fsus4, stygmate, Mivo ,ArturRembe, LOLFAIL, terminalbash, crazya02, KASETA, Bungle, encryptedmind )


one reply by a member of the Renoise Team with this:
 

OK. Bump in six months, let's see how we're doing by then.


Is this answering a question these days?

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 00:36


Answer it.
 

The main (only?) renoise dev has answered it already, basically a bug fix is imminent. Exactly when is anyone's guess. 



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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:56

i honestly would love if they manage.....to insert timestretchnig capabilities in real time ..even the shitiest algorithm would do the trick in a software that is so hardcore sample oriented

and please redesign the automation panel.....:( ...still dont know why you cant put 2 points in the same line grid :((

 

and please please..........make all channels in the mixer the same type so we can route audio in the way we want :)

 

if you do this 3 things ...you can even release the next version as renoise 4.5 or something and charge everyone for the update :(


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 13:37

 

...and please redesign the automation panel..... :( ...still dont know why you cant put 2 points in the same line grid :((

Technically there is no such thing as 2 different events at the same(!) grid-line. But I definitely understand what you mean. In reality only one event will be exactly on the grid line and the other one will be on the nearest "tick" to the left or to the right. It is still possible to control it in Renoise, I'm sure you know it, by turning the "snapping" off. What confuses me is that when the zoom is significantly "out" and you move the event right to the desired one, it appears to be not exactly on the nearest tick, but at about 2-3 ticks away when you fully zoom it in. When zoomed in you can move it right where you need. I did not tested it super extensively, maybe there is some reasons and explanations behind it.


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Posted 19 August 2017 - 15:39

Please make everyone Go Back to:

 

Renoise 2.7.2

 

No more Upgrades, or Updates...I am sick of iT!

 

Maybe let the 2.8.2 be for the 64bit freaks & 4 the great PKing Tool,

Yet, other than that; lets keep iT SP1200 or MPC3000 here:

 

State of the Art, workhorse, Anti - Crash - Secure & NON - Updated!

 

N O M O R E U P D A T E S !!! As N o N _ N e e d _ i T! 

 

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 16:08

Technically there is no such thing as 2 different events at the same(!) grid-line. But I definitely understand what you mean. In reality only one event will be exactly on the grid line and the other one will be on the nearest "tick" to the left or to the right. It is still possible to control it in Renoise, I'm sure you know it, by turning the "snapping" off. What confuses me is that when the zoom is significantly "out" and you move the event right to the desired one, it appears to be not exactly on the nearest tick, but at about 2-3 ticks away when you fully zoom it in. When zoomed in you can move it right where you need. I did not tested it super extensively, maybe there is some reasons and explanations behind it.

that is exactly what i mean ....when you turn snap off and zoom in .....the points dont match....on top or below each ther theres always a difference...


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Posted 23 August 2017 - 00:58

Please make everyone Go Back to:

 

Renoise 2.7.2

 

No more Upgrades, or Updates...I am sick of iT!

 

Maybe let the 2.8.2 be for the 64bit freaks & 4 the great PKing Tool,

Yet, other than that; lets keep iT SP1200 or MPC3000 here:

 

State of the Art, workhorse, Anti - Crash - Secure & NON - Updated!

 

N O M O R E U P D A T E S !!! As N o N _ N e e d _ i T! 

 

Applause  :drummer:  :yeah:  :yeah:  :yeah:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :ph34r:  :walkman:  :w00t:  :dribble:  :mellow:

 

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Posted 23 August 2017 - 04:45

I've been considering making my own tracker. I've had this idea for a while now.

May just get started on this idea and see what happens. 



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 07:46

Updates are confusing & evil!



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Posted 27 August 2017 - 09:00

Updates are confusing & evil!

 

Daily updates are the evil.

Monthly updates would be appreciated.

Annual updates are the minimum required, below this point it is death.


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 23:17

Annual updates are the minimum required, below this point it is death.


See it from a better point of view!
 

Your license is valid for one full version. For example, if you start with Renoise 2.7 you'll get updates up until, and including, 3.7. Our point releases pack features, not just maintenance updates. Check out our release notes and see for yourself what a great value this represents.


we're on v3.1 that means updates up until v4.1.. by the time this update will roll out, I will be probably 70.

Buying Renoise means updates for a lifetime!

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Posted 27 August 2017 - 23:42

ok heres and idea for a t shirt :)

 

photo.php?fbid=1835135553483144&set=a.15

 

https://www.facebook...&type=3


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Posted 27 August 2017 - 23:49

@Sokoban, the feature set in Renoise 3.1 is unparalleled in tracker history and its stability is right up there with the best ones. A large majority of tracker musicians made do with a lot less and that fired up their creativity and imagination. Think of any and all limitations as gym weights, whose constraints are actually a mind building workspace. You get to flex more and build more rather than get all spoon fed with automated music making and all-in-one button clicking.

Also think of it this way, in the world of DAWs there is not a single DAW that offers a tracker like interface or functionality. So it is peerless and unique without even trying. Every other software repeats the next one endlessly. You could use Logic or GarageBand or Nuendo and you would be still doing all the same things in a very eerily similar interface. Name any other mainstream software that looks and does what Renoise is capable of. None. So do not forget the tradition of trackers suddenly and also do not try to mould one thing to another. If you said an MPC does not do this or that it will not make much sense to the ones who use it superbly well for what it is especially for those who have invested their time and know how the machine thinks or software works, every kink and chink. You could tell Dilla about the lack of MPC functionality but for him and his genius mind it is the perfect medium of expression and he is the best hip hop producer of all time which is a significant achievement- all done on an MPC. Same thing for tracker greatness, the level of ingenuity and programming required is of very high calibre and not to mention it all still had to sound good, you have to be a good musician too end of the day, no skipping that.

Perhaps you could focus on producing more music and learning the ins and outs of Renoise. Remember that software is only your medium of expression, if you feel you cannot express things in your mind with this tool, maybe you are not working hard enough, like a sword, you need to be intimate with it first. On the contrary maybe, just maybe you need to ask yourself the question whether Renoise is the right tool for you. Try out other software also like Caustic and Studio One or Bitwig, Renoise never demands to be used in one specific way, use it as a sequencer, as a sampler, as a wave edit tool, as an arranger or pattern builder, as a stable vst host or plugin dev sandbox, as a synthesiser, you name it. A composers toolbox is as unique as the composer himself, be creative and never stop learning.

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Posted 31 August 2017 - 19:57

I suppose that now that September arrives, people will begin to get really impatient. It is the final straight of 2017.


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