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Posted 31 August 2017 - 20:16

I know that my one-full-version licence is a lifetime licence if there are no more updates.

I know that Renoise is already the best tracker ever (by far) and that it has already some very advanced features that transform it into a real DAW.

But...

I know that a few features are missing to me.

I know that some people get troubles with wide screens.

I know that some people would like a piano roll.

I know that some people would like some instruments or effects evolutions.

So...

Why not expect some updates?

Why stop this crazy adventure?

 

After that, I'm OK with the fact that it's more important to focus on producing music more than to focus on waiting updates, that's true ;-)


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 20:44

Exactly. Your license for the version you bought is valid without any time limit. Whether there are subsequent updates or not has absolutely no impact on this. At any point in time, it is up to you whether you update or not, but not updating does not affect or change your current license. While this is certainly reassuring, I, however, still like to see constant updates that improve the software and add the crucial missing parts.


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Posted 31 August 2017 - 21:14

Paying back to renew the license does not seem to be a problem. If there is an update every year, a license would last at least 7 to 10 years. That means paying € 80 every 7, 10 years, at best. Rounding is like spending € 10 a year, or less. But in reality, everything goes much slower. I think everyone is expecting more updates. Renoise deserves them.


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Posted 01 September 2017 - 11:28

I suppose that now that September arrives, people will begin to get really impatient.

Like the dev-team cares..
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Posted 21 September 2017 - 19:40

even if it takes multiple years to receive updates; the only dev now is still a human and humans go through different phases in life.

Some of you start yelling about features... well...

I requested 1 little feature since the day I registered on this forum and that is to play a samply easily from any pitch or position with the midi / pc keyboard.

I never got it, and I will respect it if that is uneasy to implement.

Once I was in the same boat, and got a little upset that such a little feature would not see daylight.

But nowadays, when the existence of Renoise is at stake - I see things very differently;

We all should be thankfull that this project is not yet abandoned.

Because if that day arrives, I'm a pretty lost soul and sure the community will find a new "home" but never as good as Renoise is at this moment.

The epic scale of precision, standarisation and art, skill and dedication that went into this program is unmatched.

 

I can only hope that TakTik will find his inspiration, mood and smile to work on this project again.

If his personal life has no room for Renoise, then we all have to accept.

 

In the meanwhile, I keep my fingers crossed, fire up Renoise and learn to live with the "limits" I have.

Back in the early days, EVERYTHING was limited and Renoise is a million times more powerfull.

You are already beefed up with control and power like never before; think positive and re-learn actual tracking from the start.

Read the commands once again, try them all out and forget the way you were trying to reach that one sound - maybe there is a side path that leads to your goal :)

 

Renoise is clearly addictive - if it is not there any more - imagine going cold turkey :o so enjoy what you have, you life NOW and can write musical history.

Tracks that you will be listening for years on.

 

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Posted 21 September 2017 - 19:47

even if it takes multiple years to receive updates; the only dev now is still a human and humans go through different phases in life.

Some of you start yelling about features... well...

I requested 1 little feature since the day I registered on this forum and that is to play a samply easily from any pitch or position with the midi / pc keyboard.

I never got it, and I will respect it if that is uneasy to implement

 

bro let me 1st say tHAT  i feel what youre saying...i make my purchase for Renoise...on january 16 this year....and im pretty fucking happy with that call best 75 bucks best  spent in my life ..so far

 

as for ...your ...request...in the tips and tricks ..topic..someone just ..figure what youre asking...by using ..phrases....and slice markers...

its pretty fucking awesome...

 

that was one of my 1st questions also :)

 

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Posted 22 September 2017 - 21:54

bro let me 1st say tHAT  i feel what youre saying...i make my purchase for Renoise...on january 16 this year....and im pretty fucking happy with that call best 75 bucks best  spent in my life ..so far

 

as for ...your ...request...in the tips and tricks ..topic..someone just ..figure what youre asking...by using ..phrases....and slice markers...

its pretty fucking awesome...

 

that was one of my 1st questions also :)

 

look for it

thanks for backing me up :)

Well, I found the phrase and slicemarker thingy and its quite a huge thing.
But I wanted it native in the sample editor, it feels like it should be there naturally.

I mean, come on select a sample, you play notes and then nothing is done with the selection...
To overcome this on small samples, I just press CTRL+T and after playing quickly do CTRL+Z to demonstrate what I'm after.

 

Well, purchasing Renoise any time should make anyone feel good.

I own a lot of cracked software but I would pay for every update, every bit of this software - it really changed everything :D


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Posted 23 September 2017 - 09:39

The Sp-1200 didnt get any Update for nearly 3 Decades now & is still State of the Art...just something to think about.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:48

People use the SP-1200 to colour their samples, not because it's a very capable sampler/sequencer feature-wise.

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Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:19

The Sp-1200 didnt get any Update for nearly 3 Decades now & is still State of the Art...just something to think about.

 

Doesn't care. Renoise have bugs, which needs to be fixed and sometimes was already fixed, but the bugfix version wasn't released yet.



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Posted 23 September 2017 - 15:57

The Sp-1200 didnt get any Update for nearly 3 Decades now & is still State of the Art...just something to think about.


People did not bought it from E-mu Systems to get updates until "SP-1250"

 

Your license is valid for one full version. For example, if you start with Renoise 2.7 you'll get updates up until, and including, 3.7. Our point releases pack features, not just maintenance updates. Check out our release notes and see for yourself what a great value this represents.


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 10:07

People use the SP-1200 to colour their samples, not because it's a very capable sampler/sequencer feature-wise.

 

Tell that to Q - Tip & Lord Finesse - https://www.fatbeats...xe-edition-2xcd

 

 

Doesn't care. Renoise have bugs, which needs to be fixed and sometimes was already fixed, but the bugfix version wasn't released yet.

 

Renoise 2.8.2 has no Bugs & is a state of the art #working horse!...prove me wrong here, if u like...

 

 

People did not bought it from E-mu Systems to get updates until "SP-1250"

 

 

Sp - 1300 will be released in 2063, after Cochrane developed the first operating #Warp Drive.

 

 

Cheerz my fellow Renoisers,

u have 2 Admitt that All of ur

Arguments R just weak here 

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 18:43

Cheerz my fellow Renoisers,
u have 2 Admitt that All of ur
Arguments R just weak here 
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Sp - 1300 will be released in 2063, after Cochrane developed the first operating #Warp Drive.


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 21:16

Let me just try to put this to rest. 

 

No-one is doubting that Renoise could do with some more features. A sample based DAW that can't warp, sync, stretch loops and samples? No real support for audio tracks? I'm sure there are more - some more subjective than others.

 

Also no-one is doubting that Renoise is the best out there at what it does, its rock solid, and a frankly amazing bit of software - and in it you can make some incredible music.

 

All this "where's my update" vs "it's perfect as it is" are moot. I'm sure if they could they'd be updating it regularly, but the market for trackers isn't there.


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 21:33

Tell that to Q - Tip & Lord Finesse - https://www.fatbeats...xe-edition-2xcd


You want me to tell someone who uses the SP-1200 to colour his samples that he is using the SP-1200 to colour his samples? I am not following...

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 21:39

I however diagree on that 'real' support for audio tracks thing. Also that for warping and stretching and glitching there are a dime a dozen vst and au plugins that so it both for free and fee. Renoise and it's workflow emphasizes a very old school or traditional sampling oriented workflow so much so that it feels like using a Groovebox hardware from the mid 90s running on today's hardware capacity. Audio tracks I can definitely do without. Btw take a look at Akai MPC software and the workflow is very similar in concept of using pads visually abstracted as audio sample containers, which you fill using live recording or via sampling from vinyl of mp3. This can then be triggered as is or mapped on pitched keyboard. They can also be sliced and mapped on each pad.

I see Renoise doing all this superbly fast and then so much more. Also it can all be done without using a mouse hence accentuating and establishing the hardware oreinted feel. Everything from onscreen navigation to pattern creation to note entry and sample editing and mixing to rendering the song can be done via keyboard shortcuts. Show me another tool which shares so much with software and hardware grooveboxes and Beatmaking tools while still carrying its own unique interface and workflow without being another mimic.

Once you understand the sampling method of working or the tracking method of programming you will wean away from regular audio to a linear tape style recording. All DAWs do that audio track thing anyways both free and fee, even my phone app records all the shit I say to it, every phone call and all that and plays it back on a linear tape like file which is imported to an Android or iOS app that shows a waveform, big deal. I can do audio tracking on my phone as well. Night impossible to do pro grade tracking on either phone or iPad.

Please keep these points in mind. If a rock musician uses Renoise or MPC he is the first to be frustrated about lack of this and that, but for samplists and knob twiddlers and beatmakers Renoise is literally the embodiment of all things good on software especially for these genres. This also begs more of us to study and imbibe this style of production and learn both sampling and tracking hand in hand to fully complement your workflow. My suggestion is to stay away from the linear tape recorder method anyways as this is done from portable handheld recorders to phone apps so I truly and firmly believe that this can be made redundant with every device doing it for you and is also due to mostly every other DAW or app micmicking each other and also becos not everybody does music production as a hip hop samplist or vinyl digger. I get it, becos I see Renoise very clearly as a super tool for me personally. With render on selection and so many awesome features in Renoise built in I think most of the users are just intimidated by the features becos they need more discipline and study than the press record and play back style of music composition like a regular rock band style.

Another thing I get it is that many musicians among us want the immediate feedback thing with audio and for that the best investment is to buy a looper (not a pooper!). It will let you jam with yourself and improve your skills and also allow multitracking and audio sampling in the process, letting you combine live performance with tracked playback and in general work as a brilliant recording, performance and practice and ideas generating and experimenting tool. If you really feel that the complexity of Renoise is too much then a simple hardware looper from various brands like Zoom and Boss will do the trick for you. For the sampling and MPC type folks we do this already by sampling all performance data to pads and loop it or slice it and remix itt and replay it. However, the output of a looper can be also be sampled right? In this case a looper becomes another instrument for us. If minimal vinyl diggers can get so much out of such gear and software (MPC software also) it pays to ask oneself if your skills and expectations are really in line with either tracking or sampling? Maybe you are in love with Renoise but still inside of your mind you are a rock band and not a tracker musician really. You could complain that even grooveboxes are kinda out of the market for similar reasons, but as you see gear is back with vengeance. Renoise is very unique so studying it is the best thing you can do for yourself.

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Posted 24 September 2017 - 21:51

I however diagree on that 'real' support for audio tracks thing. Also that for warping and stretching and glitching there are a dime a dozen vst and au plugins that so it both for free and fee. Renoise and it's workflow emphasizes a very old school or traditional sampling oriented workflow so much so that it feels like using a Groovebox hardware from the mid 90s running on today's hardware capacity. Audio tracks I can definitely do without. Btw take a look at Akai MPC software and the workflow is very similar in concept of using pads visually abstracted as audio sample containers, which you fill using live recording or via sampling from vinyl of mp3. This can then be triggered as is or mapped on pitched keyboard. They can also be sliced and mapped on each pad.
 

 

You've kind of both misunderstood and illustrated my point. I'm saying renoise is what it is, and it's great. But, like anything - it can be made better. Everything can improve. People need to stop wasting their energy on this forum avidly defending Renoise or bitching about the support.

 

You've read my comment to be a criticism, and leapt to Renoise's defence. It isn't - and as such I have no interest in demonstrating another tool which shares so much with software and hardware grooveboxes and Beatmaking tools while still carrying its own unique interface.

 

But I'll stand by the fact that being able to cut up loops, properly timestretch and warp natively in renoise would be great. The devs know how to make things work well, and I'd like to see their take on manipulating samples.


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Posted 24 September 2017 - 22:02

I feel you, and I am not being on the offense or defence here, but as I said there are dime a dozen options and vst support is a huge thing that opens a world of opportunities for any audio software including Renoise.

What some see as limitations others see it as a feature and a creative tool. Vst itself is an opportunity that is certainly not being well utilised if time stretching is still a complaint. Native support is all well and good. But what is the harm in utilising the innovation of another developer if the Renoise dev has provided an option for it? Most hardware systems are closed by design while Renoise embodies extensibility and compatibility. Renoise does more than any MPC gear or sampler in the market especially when you see it a fully featured sequencer and sampler package that also allows you do incorporate external features in the form of plugins. It's both contemporary and classic without being outmoded.

I feel like it's a movie that I already watched and I like the ending,which others are looking at the trailer and speculating how the story should end. If say Taktik leaves for good and no other feature comes ever for Renoise again for the next 10 years, I will be as happy as I am now because I will still have everything that I want and I will thank him for that. But that definitely puts me in a minority:)

Bug fixes and minor updates however I do require and recommend.

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 15:47

I have respect for Taktik, dblue, danoise and all the others' huge amount of work and also their decisions not to do updates regularly. But it makes me sad, and also sometimes angry, because this software is so good, that it demands constant improvements and bugfixes, since earth rotates and everything changes. And OSes will update, as you know. It is the best tracker daw available (often tried by others, never reached!) and very good for creating electronic genre music (maybe the best most people simply don't know about it). Renoise also handicaps the user and lets him/her enviously looking at the common (partly really basic) features of the other daws. That's not a nice condition to work and leads into obvious frustration. Renoise is also really well visually designed, even big companies are not able to reach such clarity and simplicity in design.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 17:23

I'm sure if they could they'd be updating it regularly, but the market for trackers isn't there.


You're sure? Really?

Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 13:11

You're sure? Really?

Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?


Not 100% sure what you mean, but what I mean is that if trackers were as popular as something like ableton there would probably a bigger team on it. At the moment Taktik is working on another project.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 13:37

Is there a plan for Renoise? I haven't yet understood what "another project" meant in the past year, it could be related to Renoise, it could be unrelated to Renoise.



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Posted 26 September 2017 - 13:49

You're sure? Really?

Did I miss a offical statement on Renoise.com or the forums here by a mod/dev?

 

Dblue has recently replied with a similar question from a new user. The only and latest news is that Taktik is working on another project that is not Renoise. Until he finishes what he is doing, he will not return with Renoise. There is nothing more to add. It all depends on this person.

 

Meanwhile, those who need more features, it is appropriate to look at the tools available. Yes, many do not comply, others have a poor GUI and do not like them, but there are very interesting tools, even if they are "half hidden" in the forums.

 

In theory, Danoise is about to publish an important update of a very interesting tool...

 

I myself am finishing another tool that I think will appeal to many people. They are small appetizers. I will always defend that I prefer not to use tools, and that everything is under the hood of Renoise, but that is impossible. But using Renoise involves not only composing music, but also creating and using tools. Do not forget this...

 

Although Renoise is in "stop mode", some new features appear in tool form and if they are not new features, are ways of control somewhat easier for the user.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 13:54

Is there a plan for Renoise? I haven't yet understood what "another project" meant in the past year, it could be related to Renoise, it could be unrelated to Renoise.

 

As I understand it, no, it is not related to Renoise. I think Taktik is in another project far from Renoise, but along the way, he will learn things that he can use in the future to improve and equip Renoise. I suspect that Taktik has had a problem with Renoise's GUI, and along with "monetary problems" decided to pair it up and embark on another project, which is very likely to help him improve Renoise in the future. But that is speculation of mine.

 

Until Taktik leaves a message on the forums, I do not think he will return. As simple as that...


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 21:58

It's funny because every so often the Renoise team posts a new tutorial video on their official Youtube page. They're official videos.... like, one for Track Scopes just showed up today. 

 

While I realize that official tutorial videos don't have anything to do with developing the program itself, it nonetheless counts as a "sign of life." But I guess if the lead dev is occupied with a totally different project, these little vids are the only thing resembling a heartbeat for the company at the moment....

 

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