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#26 lettuce

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 23:39

Alright, finally I have the answer to this problem!

 

How can I get exactly the same 16th-based percentage swing variations, with the swings applied to triplets properly by using delay by ticks commands in sunvox, milkytracker and renoise, so that I can work across all three softwares with interoperability of swing?

 

The way to do it is to choose a swing variation based on 12 lines per beat and apply the swung sixteenth note delay commands in all tracks.

 

My swing variations are here ( scroll down to the second set, I did swung 8ths instead of swung 16ths for the first set ) : http://forum.renoise...75-as-commands/

 

Here is an example of triplets with a 62.5% swing applied ( which will work the same in all three trackers; milkytracker, sunvox and renoise ) :

 

TPL-12 LPB-12 ( 144ppqn, 72 ticks per 8th note )

 

62.5% ( 1st 16th note - 45 ticks / 2nd 16th note - 27 ticks )

 

( These are swung sixteenths, with 62.5% swing )

00 C-4 00 -- ----
01 --- -- -- ----
02 --- -- -- ----
03 C-4 00 -- -Q09
04 --- -- -- ----
05 --- -- -- ----
06 C-4 00 -- ----
07 --- -- -- ----
08 --- -- -- ----
09 C-4 00 -- -Q09
10 --- -- -- ----
11 --- -- -- ----
( repeat )

 

This is how slow triplets with the same swing applied look :

 

00 C-4 00 -- ----
01 --- -- -- ----
02 --- -- -- ----
03 --- --  -- -Q09
04 --- -- -- ----
05 --- -- -- ----
06 --- -- -- ----
07 --- -- -- ----
08 C-4 -- -- ----
09 --- -- -- -Q09
10 --- -- -- ----
11 --- -- -- ----
12 --- -- -- ----

13 --- -- -- ----

14 --- -- -- ----

15 --- -- -- -Q09

16 C-4 -- -- ----

17 --- -- -- ----

18 --- -- -- ----

19 --- -- -- ----

20 --- -- -- ----

21 --- -- -- -Q09

22 --- -- -- ----

23 --- -- -- ----

 

This is how medium triplets with the same 62.5% swing applied look :

 

00 C-4 00 -- ----
01 --- -- -- ----
02 --- -- -- ----
03 --- --  -- -Q09
04 C-4 -- -- ----
05 --- -- -- ----
06 --- -- -- ----
07 --- -- -- ----
08 C-4 -- -- ----
09 --- -- -- -Q09
10 --- -- -- ----
11 --- -- -- ----
12 C-4 -- -- ----

13 --- -- -- ----

14 --- -- -- ----

15 --- -- -- -Q09

16 C-4 -- -- ----

17 --- -- -- ----

18 --- -- -- ----

19 --- -- -- ----

20 C-4 -- -- ----

21 --- -- -- -Q09

22 --- -- -- ----

23 --- -- -- ----

 

This is how fast triplets with the same 62.5% swing applied look :

 

00 C-4 00 -- ----
01 --- -- -- ----
02 C-4 -- -- ----
03 --- --  -- -Q09
04 C-4 -- -- ----
05 --- -- -- ----
06 C-4 -- -- ----
07 --- -- -- ----
08 C-4 -- -- ----
09 --- -- -- -Q09
10 C-4 -- -- ----
11 --- -- -- ----
12 C-4 -- -- ----

13 --- -- -- ----

14 C-4 -- -- ----

15 --- -- -- -Q09

16 C-4 -- -- ----

17 --- -- -- ----

18 C-4 -- -- ----

19 --- -- -- ----

20 C-4 -- -- ----

21 --- -- -- -Q09

22 C-4 -- -- ----

23 --- -- -- ----

 

This is how extra-fast triplets with the same 62.5% swing applied look :

 

00 C-4 00 -- ----
01 C-4 -- -- ----
02 C-4 -- -- ----
03 C-4 --  -- -Q09
04 C-4 -- -- ----
05 C-4 -- -- ----
06 C-4 -- -- ----
07 C-4 -- -- ----
08 C-4 -- -- ----
09 C-4 -- -- -Q09
10 C-4 -- -- ----
11 C-4 -- -- ----
12 C-4 -- -- ----

13 C-4 -- -- ----

14 C-4 -- -- ----

15 C-4 -- -- -Q09

16 C-4 -- -- ----

17 C-4 -- -- ----

18 C-4 -- -- ----

19 C-4 -- -- ----

20 C-4 -- -- ----

21 C-4 -- -- -Q09

22 C-4 -- -- ----

23 C-4 -- -- ----


Edited by lettuce, 02 February 2018 - 23:44.


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Posted 03 February 2018 - 03:25

apply the swung sixteenth note delay commands in all tracks.


Tip: You can put the Qxx delay commands on the master track to affect all tracks simultaneously, if that's what you're going for.

 

This is how slow triplets with the same swing applied look :
(...)
This is how medium triplets with the same 62.5% swing applied look :
(...)
This is how fast triplets with the same 62.5% swing applied look :
(...)


Not sure if it was just a typo, but in these three examples the Qxx delay commands will have no effect, since they do not actually line up with any notes.

If you are in fact hearing some swing being applied here, double check the master track to see if you've accidentally enabled some groove settings.

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Posted 03 February 2018 - 05:15

Tip: You can put the Qxx delay commands on the master track to affect all tracks simultaneously, if that's what you're going for.

 

Thanks. That should work nicely.

 

 

Not sure if it was just a typo, but in these three examples the Qxx delay commands will have no effect, since they do not actually line up with any notes.

If you are in fact hearing some swing being applied here, double check the master track to see if you've accidentally enabled some groove settings.

 

Dont the Qxx commands delay a line even with no note event on that line?

The global groove is disabled but it still sounds like it is all swung properly.

There are no problems that I can hear.

 

Is there a way I can attach the song file?







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