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#26 El°HYM

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 17:43

 U cannot make #short posts, like simple & short & on point....like this: I V vi IV  :walkman: 

 

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 18:16

Well, I'm still of the personal opinion that music theory is not required, and I also believe it puts you at a disadvantage.
As long as you can hum and hit a key, and are not tone deaf, you don't need music theory IMHO.

Try this:
- Make up a tune in your head, anything, now hum it over a few times.
- Work a single finger up the keyboard until the key you hit is the same as the key you are humming.
- Do the same for every key in the melody.
- Do the same to find every key of a chord, one finger of the chord at at time, while your completed melody plays.

Duh, simple as that!

PROS:
- You had no need to learn music theory
- Your melody and chord changes are were not shaped by music theory cause you don't understand music theory
- Your melody and chord changes were developed through your own personal theory, you are truly self-taught
- The more you do it, the faster you'll do it, and the faster you do it, the better you'll get at it

CONS:
- You don't get to read sheet music
- You wonder what those who follow music theory are talking about


Edited by Renoised, 04 February 2018 - 12:51.

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 18:26

Just 2 #short Questions:

 

- So you can #humm chords, or am I missing something?...rest makes totally sense & similar technic used to find the root-note of samples.

 

- What if me humming, as beautiful, as it might be....is not tuned in 440 Hz, like the Instrument me tapping the key on....microtuning?

 

- Lets talk About the #hollow earth theory... :ph34r:


Edited by El°HYM, 02 February 2018 - 18:27.


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:03

Of course you can hum chords, but I should clarify what I mean by "hum".  I'm not talking about actually making a noise, I mean hum it in your head.  You're humming chords every time you have your currently favourite tune stuck in your head and hum it to yourself.  You must be able to mentally hum chords cause the song will contain chords. You can mentally hum a complete production in your head, nevermind just chords!  You automatically know when you're hearing a chord or a single key, so there should be no difficulty in translating that to actual key presses (unless, like I said, a person is tone-deaf).

Another thing I noticed even when I were a kid playing on an old upright piano we had, is that no matter what key you hit, you are guaranteed that any chord containing that key will work with that key, so another way to develop a melody and chord sequence is to find chords first and then find a melodic match by hitting any melody key, at a higher octave than the chord, that contains one of the keys of the chord.  Of course you don't have to use the same keys, and eventually you sort of drift out of doing that naturally, but doing it sort of fleshes-out the composition to a point where you can start getting more fancy, and realising that these things work harmonically, is what allows you to develop your own understanding of the piano keyboard.

Microtuning is irrelevant, you can hum any pitch in your head anyway.


Edited by Renoised, 02 February 2018 - 19:06.

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:19

Man this is sum illuminati next level MK Ultra shizzle..me will hummm whole symphonies in my Mind...with chords all over the place, like an OST!

Of course you can hum chords, but I should clarify what I mean by "hum".  I'm not talking about actually making a noise, I mean hum it in your head.  You're humming chords every time you have your currently favourite tune stuck in your head and hum it to yourself.  You must be able to mentally hum chords cause the song will contain chords. You can mentally hum a complete production in your head, nevermind just chords!  You automatically know when you're hearing a chord or a single key, so there should be no difficulty in translating that to actual key presses (unless, like I said, a person is tone-deaf).

Another thing I noticed even when I were a kid playing on an old upright piano we had, is that no matter what key you hit, you are guaranteed that any chord containing that key will work with that key, so another way to develop a melody and chord sequence is to find chords first and then find a melodic match by hitting any melody key, at a higher octave than the chord, that contains one of the keys of the chord.  Of course you don't have to use the same keys, and eventually you sort of drift out of doing that naturally, but doing it sort of fleshes-out the composition to a point where you can start getting more fancy, and realising that these things work harmonically, is what allows you to develop your own understanding of the piano keyboard.

Microtuning is irrelevant, you can hum any pitch in your head anyway.

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Edited by El°HYM, 02 February 2018 - 19:23.


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:29

Ah-ha, you see, sounds like Charlie Parker has the right idea too then  :yeah: 


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:34

Or had...long time before us & we are now continuing the journey; one of my All Time favourite Musicians:



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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:36

So you can #humm chords




Skip to around 6m into the video :)

https://www.youtube....SJIgTLe0hc&t=6m

(Or just listen to the whole thing... it's a great performance!)
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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:44

Wowzerzz!....stunning performance! tnx



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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:52

@El°HYM, Nice, and he proves I ain't crazy as well, I like him :D

@dblue, Dat lady clearly gots polyphonic vocal cords :o

 


Edited by Renoised, 02 February 2018 - 19:54.

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Posted 02 February 2018 - 19:57

We might All Be a BiT crazy & leaving proof of this #undeletable on the i - net...dont fall for the illusion of normality, bruv :w00t:  :panic:  :yeah:

@El°HYM, Nice, and he prove's I ain't crazy as well, I like him :D

@dblue, Dat lady clearly gots polyphonic vocal cords :o

 



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Posted 02 February 2018 - 21:20

Mongolian throat singers can sing three simultaneous notes ( chords ).


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Posted 02 February 2018 - 21:29

Mongolian throat singers can sing three simultaneous notes ( chords ).

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 08:39

Well, I'm still of the personal opinion that music theory is not required, and I also believe it puts you at a disadvantage.
As long as you can hum and hit a key, and are not tone deaf, you don't need music theory IMHO.

Try this:
- Make up a tune in your head, anything, now hum it over a few times.
- Work a single finger up the keyboard until the key you hit is the same as the key you are humming.
- Do the same for every key in the melody.
- Do the same to find every key of a chord, one finger of the chord at at time, while your completed melody plays.

Duh, simple as that!

PROS:
- You had no need to learn music theory
- Your melody and chord changes are were not shaped by music theory cause you don't understand music theory
- Your melody and chord changes were developed through your own personal theory, you are truly self-taught
- The more you do it, the faster you'll do it, and the faster you do it, the better you'll get at it

CONS:
- None

 

Look man, I can't convince you to learn music theory. But I guess I would just say, that your descriptions of it are really misinformed and your resistance isn't much different than someone who knows little of philosophy and science but doesn't want to learn it in fear of what it may do to their own internal ideology. I would strongly encourage you to open your mind and learn it. It will only help. If you hate it you can reject it but at least you'll know why you're rejecting it.



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 09:25

Look man, I can't convince you to learn music theory. But I guess I would just say, that your descriptions of it are really misinformed and your resistance isn't nomuch different than someone who knows little of philosophy and science but doesn't want to learn it in fear of what it may do to their own internal ideology. I would strongly encourage you to open your mind and learn it. It will only help. If you hate it you can reject it but at least you'll know why you're rejecting it.

I disagree, what he has described is what ALL musicians do end of the day. It's called honing your inner voice. Taking melodic dictation from the one and only unique instrument in the world, your human voice. It also strengthens your inner melodic construction to external instrument coordination. ALL jazz musicians do this in their live and practise routines. That is how they come up with inspired lines rather than copy pasted or over-analytical-lines. I do it daily myself!

However I also agree that while this being an essential and high priority music skill to practise and implement and look up to, it also helps to facilitate the process faster and easier by studying a little of this jargon and labelling schemes that we call music theory. Like you are humming a note and you found the key that matches, then next step is simple, just find the 'name' of the note. That is it! From there you can write down the names of the notes. Later in try to distinguish the intervals between the melody notes, say for 'Amazing Grace' the first two notes are a Fourth apart. So label every such interval based on a popular song. Soon that also will be internalised. Then your melodic dictation will be faster. After that do simple diatonic chords major minor dim and aug. Sing them by constructing major and minor 3rds. After that try to sing with a chord progression the monophonic melody line. And so on....the process never ends and you will end up doing music analysis and theory for the rest of your lives. If interval naming is something you can hone, Jazz and Classical and Pop or Rock will open its doors to well facilitated understanding. It's THE most important skills of all musical skills, second to rhythm.

One really essential tip to improve musicianship, is to do transcriptions. Do it from records, sheet music , riffs you like, songs you like and try to write them down later in parts, not entire tracks unless someone is paying you or you really like it.

Also another very important rule: All musicians must make it a topic of discipline to engage in music every single day. Whether you do finger scale practice or theory reading or composition, it must be regimented and mentally effected by willpower and routine hand to hand. Make it your first habit and only really bad habit to do music practise and analysis every single day.

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The thing is one can never truly realise his potential and materialize its benefits without diligent practise, EVERY single musician of repute or critical acclaim or academic prowess has given his dues by breaking his or her back over the instrument and honing skills on it. It's almost like a mandatory skill on its own. Without discipline whatever talent you have will never develop fully to fruition. Discipline itself requires discipline, becos it don't come easy, totally worth bekng obsessed over it.

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Posted 04 February 2018 - 09:38

Skip to around 6m into the video :)https://www.youtube....SJIgTLe0hc&t=6m(Or just listen to the whole thing... it's a great performance!)


Stinky face all the way..stuff I listen to every single day :) Amazing vocalist.
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Posted 04 February 2018 - 13:34

Look man, I can't convince you to learn music theory. But I guess I would just say, that your descriptions of it are really misinformed and your resistance isn't much different than someone who knows little of philosophy and science but doesn't want to learn it in fear of what it may do to their own internal ideology. I would strongly encourage you to open your mind and learn it. It will only help. If you hate it you can reject it but at least you'll know why you're rejecting it.


I do my own thing now, but you're spot-on when you say there's a fear it might effect my own idealogy.  Me having my own way of doing it though, is not a rebellious thing and I think it might look that way.  Fact is I tried music school, but I was already far too set in my ways by that time.  That must have been around fifteen years ago now.  So basically, fifteen years later means fifteen years harder than it was back then, lol.  If I had gone to music school from being a complete beginner, it would have worked, but I had already self-taught myself to the point it was very hard to change by then.

So I'm secretly cheering-on the original poster of this thread, I hope it works out for him, but at the same time, he shouldn't feel bad if it doesn't.  Knowing music theory is not a prerequisite to being a musician, but it can sometimes feel like that when you see those with music theory speaking between themselves.


 

However I also agree that while this being an essential and high priority mjsia skill to practise and implement an look up to, it also helps to facilitate the process faster and easier by studying a little of this jargon and labelling schemes that we call music theory.


Thanks, and I've edited my original post to add two "Cons" to it.  It was wrong to suggest there were no cons, of course there are cons but for me personally, those cons still don't outweight the ability to compose music using my own "inner voice" theory as you put it , so I'm more than happy with that.  The only thing I envy about music theory is being able to name chords and chord types etc, and to understand what people are talking about, but there is literally nothing else I envy about it.

So there's music theory or inner voice theory, and we can take our pick - haha :walkman:



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 19:25

 That mongolian overtone singer is great .

I once saw some tuva singers ..stunning performance 


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 22:21

The mongolian throat singers get three tones with :

 

  1. Normal singing tone.
  2. 'Throat-rattle' ( adds a low note ).
  3. 'Tongue-whistling' ( adds a high note ).

 

Maybe this woman is not as good as the mongolian throat singers who can do three tones, but her explanation of technique is clear.

 


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Posted 04 February 2018 - 22:52

Are you serious? - She was way better than that Mongolian Throat Singer!

She was actually producing two different melodies at the same time whereas the Mongolian dude was doing two notes, but he sounded like a sampler when you play your voice back an octave apart simultaneously, so his second voice was always the same note as the first voice, just at a lower octave.

That woman was way better, plus I could listen to that accent all day, plus, she's nice to look at, even in black and white!


 



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Posted 04 February 2018 - 22:59

The Mongolian dude was still good though!

 


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Posted 05 February 2018 - 00:02

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 00:20

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 01:33

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Posted 05 February 2018 - 04:08

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