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#1 lilith

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Posted 03 April 2018 - 22:41

Of course renoise is the best DAW under linux, but I wonder what you use beside of renoise. I made some tests with Ardour, but I don't need its complexity and it confuses me. Qtraction seems to be a good alternative which is more simple but looks quite stable. Anyone using Reaper in linux? Via wine or the linux pre beta version?

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 00:07

Preface: I only use Linux. Windows has no existence in my life. I do audio, video, gaming & business - the lot with my preferred distribution, Ubuntu.

 

I've been exclusively using Renoise since 2013 and I've done 7 albums. My first two albums were instrumental only and the next five had all had vocals on every track.

I've also been using Harrison Mixbus since 2016 but only to do the mastering side of things and then only sometimes as I've been able to get the mix right within Renoise.

I was finding that vocals were a challenge particularly in terms of warping time and pitch without the two screwing each other up so I started exploring other options.

I gave Bitwig a go but it is not well suited to my workflow and as good as some of its features are, its still a bit lame in some other ways. Also, it's starting to get beyond the money I wanted to spend.

In the right price range then I gave Reaper a go. I was running the native (experimental) Linux build. Though experimental, it was rock solid. But, the workflow (again) and the horrible user interface of Reaper was too much for me to handle.

I finally land on Tracktion Waveform 8 and then later upgraded to Waveform 9. It's only 100 bucks but it does things that you'd expect from a $300-800 package such as Ableton or Bitwig, etc.

Now I have taken harbour in Waveform 9 and use Renoise via the Redux VST within Waveform.

As much as I love trackers and grew up with them. My workflow and productivity level has easily doubled. Vocals are a joy to with with. Waveform & Redux = nirvana.

 

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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:22

Sounds pretty good. As i'm still on Ubuntu 14.04 i'll give Tracktion 6 a trial.
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Posted 04 April 2018 - 11:47

Sounds pretty good. As i'm still on Ubuntu 14.04 i'll give Tracktion 6 a trial.

 

Ok but know that there is a huge difference in functionality between Trackion 6 and 9!!!

 

Hmmm, time to upgrade your OS? 10.04 is due at the end of this month and its LTS.


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 12:52

I´m using KXstudio which is still at 14.04. There´s an update planned for 2018, so i´m waiting for that. I think it might be good to start with Version 6 to get used to it and then to upgrade to 9.



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Posted 04 April 2018 - 13:19

There's no support for LV2 plugins. How did you solve that? Are there any good alternatives?


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 19:55

Very nice! Just installed it and it even comes with reverb, delay, etc. LV2 plugins work within Carla Patchbay. Timestretching is cool and it even comes with a sampler!! It's different to ardour, qtractor, etc. but I like it already. Thanks for that tip. I think it's quite good to do experimental music. 


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Posted 04 April 2018 - 23:38

Very nice! Just installed it and it even comes with reverb, delay, etc. LV2 plugins work within Carla Patchbay. Timestretching is cool and it even comes with a sampler!! It's different to ardour, qtractor, etc. but I like it already. Thanks for that tip. I think it's quite good to do experimental music. 

 

Ah you added more since I saw your message about the lack of LV2. 

I might be strange but but I don't use many plugins. I work mainly with samples of instruments instead. Like you say though, via Carla they (and Windows plugins) are a cinch.

The Multi-Sampler they introduced with Waveform 9 is mindblowing. Like Renoise, you can keymap samples into zones or specific keys but with the Multi-Sampler you can key and zone and overlay depending on note velocity. This blew my mind!

Time Stretching out of the box is awesome. Easy to use. Sanely represented graphically.

It's got a lot going for it!

 

T6 is free but I do highly suggest you try the W9 demo.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 00:28

I'll check it out as soon I have a new system installed :D 

 

 

Ah you added more since I saw your message about the lack of LV2. 

I might be strange but but I don't use many plugins. I work mainly with samples of instruments instead. Like you say though, via Carla they (and Windows plugins) are a cinch.

The Multi-Sampler they introduced with Waveform 9 is mindblowing. Like Renoise, you can keymap samples into zones or specific keys but with the Multi-Sampler you can key and zone and overlay depending on note velocity. This blew my mind!

Time Stretching out of the box is awesome. Easy to use. Sanely represented graphically.

It's got a lot going for it!

 

T6 is free but I do highly suggest you try the W9 demo.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 04:36

Been using reaper native since mid 2017, it works so well... I'm also using linvst for winvst bridging, this is also excellent and the developer is very active with it.

 

Anything in particular you wanted to know about reaper on linux? I'd love to share with you my experience so far.

 

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Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:03

mainly use renoise backed up with ardour and audacity for some things.

 

tried bitwig, didn't like it and also now it's subscription so... 

 

used reaper on windows and will try the native linux version when it's further in beta, hate wine.

 

just trialling waveform 9, and it seems pretty cool so far.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 06:55

 

used reaper on windows and will try the native linux version when it's further in beta, hate wine.

 

just trialling waveform 9, and it seems pretty cool so far.

 

Though Reaper wasn't my thing, I gotta say that the Linux port although beta/alpha is rock solid. You could start using it now.

 

Waveform 9, just amazing. I felt the same way as you about Bitwig.

 

I'm not dissing Renoise. It will always be my first love and it lives on for me in the form of Redux.


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Posted 05 April 2018 - 08:49

Harrison Mixbus v4 (not 32c), but only for not electronic music.

I tried bitwig a little but lack of lv2/ladspa etc plugins (i didnt knew about carla atm) made me run away from it.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 00:22

I watched that video and it looks so / too easy to "install" it:

 

 

Can you hint me to an explanation how to do an installation? I don't want to read all > 54 pages on the reaper forum. I used it ~12 years ago but I didn't get into it... never used a DAW before though ... 

 

 

 

 

Been using reaper native since mid 2017, it works so well... I'm also using linvst for winvst bridging, this is also excellent and the developer is very active with it.

 

Anything in particular you wanted to know about reaper on linux? I'd love to share with you my experience so far.

 

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Ok, I played a bit more with Tracktion 6. Got some crashes today and a strange behavior sometimes. When doing drums what's the most straightforward way to go? I want several samples and I want to control EQ, etc. for each of the samples. I used the SamplerRack but it seems a bit buggy and to be honest it looks ugly as hell. 

 

 

Though Reaper wasn't my thing, I gotta say that the Linux port although beta/alpha is rock solid. You could start using it now.

 

Waveform 9, just amazing. I felt the same way as you about Bitwig.

 

I'm not dissing Renoise. It will always be my first love and it lives on for me in the form of Redux.


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 14:54

I watched that video and it looks so / too easy to "install" it:

 

 

Can you hint me to an explanation how to do an installation? I don't want to read all > 54 pages on the reaper forum. I used it ~12 years ago but I didn't get into it... never used a DAW before though ... 

 

 

 

 


Ok, I played a bit more with Tracktion 6. Got some crashes today and a strange behavior sometimes. When doing drums what's the most straightforward way to go? I want several samples and I want to control EQ, etc. for each of the samples. I used the SamplerRack but it seems a bit buggy and to be honest it looks ugly as hell. 

 

Here:

 

https://wiki.cockos....EAPER_for_Linux

 

The first entry in the wiki tells you where to download it (the developer does not want people to link directly to the site).

 

You can download the tar.xz, extract and run from wherever you put its contents, as a 'portable' installation. 'reaper5' is the executable file.



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Posted 06 April 2018 - 18:51

Ok, I played a bit more with Tracktion 6. Got some crashes today and a strange behavior sometimes. When doing drums what's the most straightforward way to go? I want several samples and I want to control EQ, etc. for each of the samples. I used the SamplerRack but it seems a bit buggy and to be honest it looks ugly as hell. 

 

I cant talk about Tracktion 6 since I'm on Waveform 9 - which is three major versions ahead and I have no crashes or strange behaviour. I do know that since then they have cleaned up the interface by a substantial amount.

I can only suggest you download the trial of Waveform 9 and see if you experience the same issues...

 

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Posted 06 April 2018 - 19:15

Thanks ok. Here it's written that 16.04 is needed for Waveform 9. 

 

https://www.kvraudio...p?f=22&t=488681

 

I continue testing T6... 

 

 

I cant talk about Tracktion 6 since I'm on Waveform 9 - which is three major versions ahead and I have no crashes or strange behaviour. I do know that since then they have cleaned up the interface by a substantial amount.

I can only suggest you download the trial of Waveform 9 and see if you experience the same issues...

 

Cheers,

Gav


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Posted 06 April 2018 - 21:46

I installed Tracktion 7 ... looks much better. I still had a Code for Tracktion 4 which came with a Mackie Volume Knob. It worked still for T7. How cool is that?


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 15:31

It's crashing quite often here.. It hangs or the menues doesn 't stay open, etc... Not possible to work with ... It seems to be super mighty and I like the clean look... But for me at the moment there are too many options.

 

 

Been using reaper native since mid 2017, it works so well... I'm also using linvst for winvst bridging, this is also excellent and the developer is very active with it.

 

Anything in particular you wanted to know about reaper on linux? I'd love to share with you my experience so far.

 

Cheers


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 16:02

Still convinced or did you find any drawbacks?

 

just trialling waveform 9, and it seems pretty cool so far.



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Posted 09 April 2018 - 23:42

Still convinced or did you find any drawbacks?

 

for me "convinced" is different to "seems cool", ;) but overall i think it's a really interesting daw with a lot of unique features. found a few buglets but they've already released a 9.1x update that fixes most.

 

thing is, having learned ardour i'm quite happy using that for my non-renoise needs, plus ardour supports LV2 plugins directly without an extra host and it's very stable and featureful and there's no proprietary lock-in (and of course like any other daw it can host redux). on balance i think i won't purchase waverform9  when the trial runs out, but i'll definitely keep an interested eye on it.

 

@kydcut thanks for the link, tried the linux reaper early beta and it does seem to work ok, but i'm not really interested in investing a lot of effort into it until they elevate it to a more visible, offical-ish thing, plus what i said about ardour above.


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Posted 09 April 2018 - 23:49

Hey hey,

 

The vendor lock-in is a bit of a moot point. After all is Renoise open & free as in beer? No. Plus there's export and other method of reading their filetypes since they are based on open standards anyway.

That aside, the most important thing is choosing what works for you. Like you, I keep an eye on all the different DAWs to see where they are going. My issue with Renoise (and I've stated its my 1st love) is that it doesn't seem to be going anywhere! That said, its still great as it is. ...It could be better (jab jab) :)

 

I'm just happy that Linux has a whole bunch of premium quality tools. It's a good time to be alive. Woo!


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 00:32

The vendor lock-in is a bit of a moot point.


yeah, the lock-in i'm thinking of is more locking yourself in to a particular daw's way of working but then finding it abandoned or changed to a subscription model or whatever. of course you can always change your way of working, but for me that can be a bit of a pita if you have a lot of old projects.

some of the other stuff i mentioned like proper LV2 support is more important, but then renoise doesn't have that either so my bias is showing there. :badteeth:
 

I'm just happy that Linux has a whole bunch of premium quality tools. It's a good time to be alive. Woo!

agree totally!  :walkman:  i still do one or two things back in windows from time to time, but then i tend to export stems and get them back in renoise or ardour on linux.


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 00:57

 i still do one or two things back in windows from time to time,

 

My condolences. hehe!

 

Actually, the type of lock-in you speak of extends beyond the app level of things. I have to use Windows in very very rare occasions and since I've been using Linux for ~20 years, I'm completely lost! I fumble through.


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Posted 10 April 2018 - 01:38

Mu condolences. hehe!

 

Actually, the type of lock-in you speak of extends beyond the app level of things. I have to use Windows in very very rare occasions and since I've been using Linux for ~20 years, I'm completely lost! I fumble through.

 

haha. i keep windows around for some games, some commercial synths and other music stuff, and, being (mostly) a software developer, some testing of software on windows, although this last i can mostly take care of in a virtual machine these days.

 

also on linux > 20 years, since pre 1, ouch, poor old fart is i. ;)  guess this gettin a bit off topic though. have a good one.


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