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#1 AstroNut

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 20:49

Guys, what do you use for your sample editing needs ?

I'm talking about changing basic properities, fixing clicks, fading in / out, normalising, batch editing, finding loops, etc.

 

It may sound strange but I tried maybe 20-30 different editors and didnt like any of them.

 

So I'm hoping you will name some tools I didnt try yet. The one built into renoise is fine for occasional fix but definitelly not good to work on a bigger number of samples.

 

Long, long time ago I really liked Sound Forge, I had version 4 but I dont have it anymore. Something about its very clean waveform display and mouse wheel waveform zooming just clicked with me - it was very fast to work with.

 

I could get a new one - the problem is that the non-pro version doesnt have batch processing.

 

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Posted 15 June 2018 - 21:44

Reaper.  https://www.reaper.fm/download.php

 

I use it for live recording (though lately I've been experimenting with recording right into Renoise), editing long takes, slicing recordings into samples and loops for Renoise, pitch-correcting stuff, fixing volume, removing pops or ambient noise,, and the like.

 

One thing I really like with Reaper is the assorted automation views; makes it easy to do volume correction where a compressor/limiter doesn't work well.  For example, cleaning up plosives and sibilance with more precision than my available plugins can. Has a good set of fade curves as well.  I think that's fully tweakable as well but I haven't looked into it.  I do a lot of vocal comping with it to.  Wrote some OSC-driven code to make it easy to toggle solo/mute on tracks while comparing takes.

 

I agree about using Renoise for sample editing.  In fact, those limitations are why I've started using it for live recording, to see how it changes my workflow, see if It prompts me in an interesting new direction.  

 

For example, in Reaper it's too easy to record guitar improv for an hour, then go back and listen and slice the interesting parts to loop material.  But it's a time-consuming process and I think I spend more time creating source material than actual songs.    I'm seeing if sticking to short takes changes my focus.   But if I really need to fix a recording I think I'd export to a wav and edit it in Reaper.



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Posted 15 June 2018 - 22:33

I really liked Sound Forge, I had version 4


Sound Forge 4 was indeed quite a beast :)

You'll probably be right at home with Wavosaur which is basically a free Sound Forge clone.

https://www.wavosaur.com
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Posted 16 June 2018 - 00:19

Have you tried Audacity? https://www.audacityteam.org/


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 08:37

Have exactly the same problem, miss Soundforge 4
do not like Audacity

Wavesaur had latency (but a while ago I tried it)



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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:27

Have you tried Cool Edit Pro? I used it many many years ago, but now i see there is a free version 2.1 out. Haven't tried it myself, but i liked the old one, so might be worth to check out.
EDIT: i thought it was free, but it's actually $299, very expensive imo.


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 09:53

+1 for Wavosaur


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 10:42

Ignore all of these suggestions. If you have a Mac the only option is this https://myriad.aurchitect.com/

 

Its changed my life


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 11:31

Have you tried Cool Edit Pro?

 

Wait, what? CEP got bought up by Adobe many years ago. 

So just how can there be a version for purchase? That must be a scam of some kind... :ph34r:

 

Btw: I used to LOVE Cool Edit for it's no-frills multitrack editor... did many mixdowns in there :)


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 11:52

Syntrillium FTW!...isnt #cep 2.1 free since a few years now. #nope

Wait, what? CEP got bought up by Adobe many years ago. 

So just how can there be a version for purchase? That must be a scam of some kind... :ph34r:

 

Btw: I used to LOVE Cool Edit for it's no-frills multitrack editor... did many mixdowns in there :)


Edited by El°HYM, 16 June 2018 - 16:57.

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Posted 16 June 2018 - 16:37

Have you tried Cool Edit Pro? I used it many many years ago, 

 

CE2K!  I bought that at the turn of the century, and have been careful not to lose my license key email. : )

 

Didn't pay hundreds of dollars either.  I recall it being fairly cheap.

 

There was a time when I was digitizing assorted cassette tapes (some of my own music, plus many store-bought albums) and CE was great for noise reduction and normalization.

 

Also: Four Tet: https://www.soundons...people/four-tet

 

I can't find the source, but I'm pretty sure it's him who also uses it for live wav "scratching" and super-tight loops (adjusted on the fly).  Maybe that's Venetian Snares.  *Someone* does that. : )

 

In any event I don't think it's legit for sale from a primary source.  You'd need to buy a license key and the installer from someone and hope it works.    I don't *think*  it needs to hit a server to validate, but could be wrong.   When I install it on a new machine I need to run the installer but also run ce2kreg.exe and paste in a key.   And it works.  


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 16:56

Also remember Apollo Brown as an #active CEP 2.1 User...here!

 

Guess the confusion comes from here: 

 

https://cool-edit-pro.soft32.de


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 18:10

Also remember Apollo Brown as an #active CEP 2.1 User...here!

 

Guess the confusion comes from here: 

 

https://cool-edit-pro.soft32.de

 

I just grabbed that.  It's a demo version.  (Didn't follow thru the full install after I saw that message.)


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 18:26

Yea...it also says 299$ for the license...maybe thats how TheBellows got confused?


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Posted 16 June 2018 - 19:05

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Have audition too, but CEP is lightning fast.
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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:19

Wait, what? CEP got bought up by Adobe many years ago. 

So just how can there be a version for purchase? That must be a scam of some kind... :ph34r:

 

Btw: I used to LOVE Cool Edit for it's no-frills multitrack editor... did many mixdowns in there :)

You're right, i thought this was some kind of resurrected side branch from Adobe Audition, but i must have misunderstood. Apparantly this version is from 2004 or whatever and would probably not even work in Win 10.  :smashed:

The comments on the page was only about a year old, complaining about the high price, so i think i just jumped to conclusion. :P

https://cool-edit-pro.soft32.com/

 

Anyway, i used CEP quite a lot and it was very effective and handy. It shouldn't be too hard to find a licence key for it if you want to go that route. It's probably not legal, but who cares with a 15 year old abandoned software? 


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 09:31

Yea...it also says 299$ for the license...maybe thats how TheBellows got confused?

I'm always confused, i even made a song about it: 


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 10:07

You're right, i thought this was some kind of resurrected side branch from Adobe Audition, but i must have misunderstood. Apparantly this version is from 2004 or whatever and would probably not even work in Win 10.  :smashed:

The comments on the page was only about a year old, complaining about the high price, so i think i just jumped to conclusion. :P

https://cool-edit-pro.soft32.com/

 

Anyway, i used CEP quite a lot and it was very effective and handy. It shouldn't be too hard to find a licence key for it if you want to go that route. It's probably not legal, but who cares with a 15 year old abandoned software? 

 

U might also need a working Windows XP key to run it, though...not necessarily #illegal. Yet 100% Gangsta 4 Sho!  :walkman:


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 17:03

My version of Cool Edit 2000 was bought  in January of 2000.  Paid US $ 69.   That's ~ US $100 in 2018 money.

 

I think this is the version just prior to CE Pro. Has only 2-track (i.e basic stereo) editing/recording.  The help pages (a local copy) say you can buy a plugin to expand that to 4.  (Well, not *now*, of course.)

 

Anyways, this version works fine on Windows 10.   

 

CEP (v2.x) might be a different beast.

 

For history buffs: http://homerecording...history-235201/

 

That link has a post saying that CE Pro was CE2K with all the plugins included.


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Posted 17 June 2018 - 17:18

 

Anyway, i used CEP quite a lot and it was very effective and handy. It shouldn't be too hard to find a licence key for it if you want to go that route. It's probably not legal, but who cares with a 15 year old abandoned software? 

 

I often wonder about the morality of different options for acquiring something for which there no longer exists legit (however defined) options.

 

Assuming one agrees with assertions about IP copyrights, does one just throw up their hands because no one will, or is able to, sell what they want, while other extra-legal (or extra-moral) options exist?

 

I'm reluctant to get into too much of a discussion about it here, It's a tricky subject, especially on a forum for a particular piece of copyright-protected software : ).

 

I think in this case, slick as Cool Edit was, there are available alternatives equally as good.



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Posted 18 June 2018 - 02:18

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Posted 20 June 2018 - 06:40

For sampling and beat slicing I use Regroover, a plugin from Accusonus. If you are working with loops or want to extract some grooves from old vinyl samples it's a great tool. This plugin is capable to unmix your loops into layers. You can extract kicks, claps, snares etc. Someone else tried it?



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Posted 23 June 2018 - 15:42

Adobe Audition (formerly cool edit pro) is what I use and would recommend however the current monthly licensing scheme is pretty terrible. I believe it costs $20/month for a single Adobe product. As an affiliated researcher with an arts focused university, I receive the full Adobe creative cloud for $15/year. . .if that option is available to you, jump on it.

 

Adobe Audition 3, old but still totally usable, is available as part of the old Adobe CS2, which you may be able to source from Adobe's website. . .

 

Audacity is okay but doesn't feature sample level editing which for me is a non-starter. I'm not sure what other audio editing tools out there offer sample level editing. . . probably SoundForge and WaveLab. The Audition interface seems vastly simpler, and the in-built effects are of excellent quality. I do all of my mastering with the stock Audition tools.

 



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Posted 04 July 2018 - 17:10

I was very lucky to buy Sound Forge Pro 11 and Acid Pro 7 from Humble Bundle for about 25 euros before few months. Since then it’s the only audio editor I am using. Before I enjoyed Wavosaur and worked a bit with Audacity. Reaper does a great job too but it’s overkill to use such powerful DAW for simple tasks as sample editing.

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Posted 07 July 2018 - 10:28

Oh snap ! What a great deal ! If I knew about about it, I wouldnt hesitate a second.







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