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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:25

Hello,

 

Renoise - Sample Properties - Panning are (Picture - bottom left)
50L - Center - 50R
Why is here only 50% and not 100% hard pan L/R possible?

 

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At Midi (Inside Renoise - Native Effect Meta - Inst Midi Control) panning at the
Controller CC 10 with value curve 0-127
00L - 64 Center - 127R
Here is 100%, hard pan L/R (with ext. Soundhardware) possible

How can the Midi values be convert to Renoise Properties, to hear the same sampled Sound as with the original Midi Hardware?
Examples: (General Midi pannings for Roland Drummachines)

Vibra-slap - pan 29
Claves - pan 84  
Hand Clap - pan 54


Edited by random, 04 October 2018 - 19:59.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 10:57

I think 50L and 50R are hard panning, but indeed strange here the scale is decimal, while elsewhere hexadecimal.


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 11:10

No, unfortunately not, i compared Audio/Midi (Renoise/Roland PMA-5) with Headphones
You can also visually see it well (probably only with Audio, Wavefiles) right on the Renoise Spectrum Analyzer


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 18:40

I drew up a silly table of rough possible scaled values.  The reason I did this was not because I want to discuss if 50L is hard panned left or not, nor different panning laws etc.  The reason is because I wanted to simply test column mode in a text editor :)

Mid     Ren |  Mid     Ren |  Mid     Ren |  Mid     Ren
--------------------------------------------------------
000     50L |  032     26L |  064     Ct  |  096     25R
001     50L |  033     25L |  065     01R |  097     26R
002     49L |  034     24L |  066     02R |  098     27R
003     48L |  035     23L |  067     02R |  099     28R
004     47L |  036     22L |  068     03R |  100     29R
005     47L |  037     22L |  069     04R |  101     29R
006     46L |  038     21L |  070     05R |  102     30R
007     45L |  039     20L |  071     06R |  103     31R
008     44L |  040     19L |  072     06R |  104     32R
009     43L |  041     19L |  073     07R |  105     32R
010     43L |  042     18L |  074     08R |  106     33R
011     42L |  043     17L |  075     09R |  107     34R
012     41L |  044     16L |  076     10R |  108     35R
013     40L |  045     15L |  077     10R |  109     36R
014     40L |  046     15L |  078     11R |  110     36R
015     39L |  047     14L |  079     12R |  111     37R
016     38L |  048     13L |  080     13R |  112     38R
017     37L |  049     12L |  081     14R |  113     39R
018     36L |  050     12L |  082     14R |  114     40R
019     36L |  051     11L |  083     15R |  115     40R
020     35L |  052     10L |  084     16R |  116     41R
021     34L |  053     09L |  085     17R |  117     42R
022     33L |  054     08L |  086     17R |  118     43R
023     33L |  055     08L |  087     18R |  119     44R
024     32L |  056     07L |  088     19R |  120     44R
025     31L |  057     06L |  089     20R |  121     45R
026     30L |  058     05L |  090     21R |  122     46R
027     29L |  059     05L |  091     21R |  123     47R
028     29L |  060     04L |  092     22R |  124     47R
029     28L |  061     03L |  093     23R |  125     48R
030     27L |  062     02L |  094     24R |  126     49R
031     26L |  063     01L |  095     25R |  127     50R

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Posted 04 October 2018 - 20:42

Sorry for the drum roll, my mistake

tried again
Compare Panning: Effect Command -Pxx 00-80 (full left/right according to Manual) with Sample Properties 50R / 50L on the Spectrum Analyzer and see no difference.
Take headphones and hear full left / right with Effect Command
and this time also full left / right with Sample Properties

Have no idea why I heard something else last night. ...



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 20:56

was it a stereo sample last night?


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Posted 04 October 2018 - 21:06

mono, maybe i do something wrong with my Mackie Mixer

Pma-5 - Midi - Line out without Mackie was "true" full left / right



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Posted 04 October 2018 - 21:12

@4Tey, Thanx !! your list helps me a lot
Yesterday, discovered the "new" GM2-v12a.pfd on https://www.midi.org

All pannings for GM drums inside, can now easily copy with your list :walkman: