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#1 Raul (ulneiz)

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 12:10

On the eve of the Halloween parties I am proud to present my latest creation, the "Piano Roll Editor" or "PRE" for Renoise. Enjoy the content!!!

 

What is the "Piano Roll Editor"?

The "Piano Roll Editor" or also called "PRE" as an abbreviation is a tool for the representation and advanced editing of notes for the DAW Renoise (current version 3.1.1 of 64 bit). It is a piano roll arranged vertically with a top control bar, an intermediate grid for the roll and another bottom panel that represents a horizontal virtual piano, along with another smaller mirror piano on the top of the roll.

 

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Piano Roll Editor 64bit v1.0 build 117... a original tool by ulneiz

 

The PRE program is distributed in 64-bit XRNX format through a "Demo Version", free, so that anyone can try it and through another "Full Version", not free, which requires a personalized use license. Please, contact the author to get your personal license for use. This additional software demonstrates another of Renoise's not-so-well-known capabilities: programming and the use of advanced editing tools. Expand Renoise's capabilities with the Piano Roll Editor!

 

Piano Roll Editor. Download the Basic User Guide.

The Basic User Guide contains all the necessary information to know the tool, how to install it and use it properly. The Basic User Guide is available in English and Spanish. To read the basic user guide, you can follow the following links:

  1. Read the Piano Roll Editor Basic User Guide English version (HTML format).
  2. Leer Piano Roll Editor Guía Básica del Usuario versión en español (HTML format).

You can also download both guides in a ZIP package here:

Please read the Basic User Guide before trying it or before relating any questions in this forum!

 

Piano Roll Editor. Download the Demo version 64bit (XRNX format). How to install it?

The "Demo Version" includes all the capabilities of this tool, but includes a time limitation and an informative pop-up window. Please read the User's Basic Guide first before downloading this tool.

 

To install: install the tool just like any other, by double clicking on the XRNX file or dragging it over the Renoise window. Remember that it is only compatible with the 64bit version of Renoise. The 32-bit version requires a different packaging that at the moment I'm not willing to build...

 

You can download the demo version here:

 

Piano Roll Editor. Support the developer. How to get the Full Version?

The "Full Version" comes with all the capabilities of this tool and without any restriction. Please read the Basic User's Guide carefully for more information.

 

This "Full Version" requires a "Personalized Use License", through a "Registration File". If you are interested in getting the Full Version and thus support the developer, send me a private message and I will inform you of the details. Please, consider supporting the development and maintenance of this kind of tools. Keep in mind that it takes a lot of time and effort to build!

 

Enjoy the Demo Version of this jewel!

 

Piano Roll Editor. Update History.

Piano roll Editor v1.0 build 117:

  • First Release (October 2018).

Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 31 October 2018 - 12:18.

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 12:33

Very cool! Price?


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 12:35

I like that it is vertical!


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 14:36

Very cool! Price?

 

Thanks! Look in your inbox.


I like that it is vertical!

 

Thanks ffx!!! I'm sure you'll have fun with this demo tool. Enjoy it!


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 14:42

Wow!

 

Seems like an amazing tool, thanks for all your efforts.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 14:57

Wow!

 

Seems like an amazing tool, thanks for all your efforts.

Thanks Ben!

I hope that the Basic User Guide in English is well understood.

Enjoy the Demo!


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 16:33

Looks cool but i need Renoise 3.1.1 to test it.When is it going to be avalable?

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 16:40

Looks cool but i need Renoise 3.1.1 to test it.When is it going to be avalable?

 

Forgive the question, but do you mean the Renoise version? Renoise 3.1.1 was released at the beginning of the year 2017. The packaging is dated February 6, 2017. Go your Backstage to download it!

 

I suppose that PRE is also compatible with the demo version of Renoise but it must be the 64 bit version.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 16:51

Not to be That Guy™ but distributing a demo version which is basically just a doublelly zipped folder of the source code doesn't bode well for getting people to pay you for your work. Don't get me wrong, I'm more than willing to pay for this for the great work you've done, and if you weren't asking for money but instead had a donation button I'd be more than down, but given you're distributing a plugin among dozens of other, some more complicated, plugins that I'm sure you use for free it sorta irks me that you'd ask the same community that you benefit freely from to pay you. 

 

I'm studying Computer and Electrical engineering right now, so I know more than anyone that you deserve to be paid for this hard work but context matters, and in this case youre just repaying the community that you've benefited from before.

 

so please make it a donation button both by the download and on launch of the plugin. I'll happily buy you a beer. 

 

Just my oppinon though. This is truly great work and I hope you continue to improve it! It's amazing you could pull this off in LUA at all.


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 17:17

Not to be That Guy™ but distributing a demo version which is basically just a doublelly zipped folder of the source code doesn't bode well for getting people to pay you for your work

Where is the plain text lua source code in the zip?  Looks to me like compiled binary lua bytecode files, surely a 'computer/electrical' student engineer guy would know this however? :unsure:


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Posted 31 October 2018 - 17:17

Hi vega!

 

I respect your opinion but everything is much simpler, believe me.. Anyway, do not worry. As you said, there are many shared tools. You have a lot of free content at your fingertips. Courage with your studies!
 
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Posted 31 October 2018 - 18:12

The first time I started it nothing happened when clicking the boxes. And the second time it only shows the keyboard legend. I have no idea what to do.



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Posted 31 October 2018 - 18:25

The first time I started it nothing happened when clicking the boxes. And the second time it only shows the keyboard legend. I have no idea what to do.

 
Press the OFF button (top left), it must be "ON" for the roll to show things. If you want to edit, you must have the pattern editor with Edit Mode enabled, press [ESC]. You must edit with a loaded instrument. There is an User Guide in English, if you want to continue testing. After a few minutes the tool will self-lock. If you want to continue using it. Uninstall and reinstall it.
 
Try something else. Load a new song already composed. Load the PRE, turn it ON and press the NC button, so that it switches to TR mode, it will show 4 + 4 tracks around the selected track. In preferences, you can increase it to "-16 TR +16" to show a greater range of tracks. Now play the song.

 

Edit: Go to User Guide: 2.1. On or off button: ON/OFF.

 

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Button ON/OFF, in different states


Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 01 November 2018 - 15:21.

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Posted 31 October 2018 - 18:31

Ah, thanks.. now it's working.

 

(It seems to be a step sequencer, rather. Similar to pianolol.)



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Posted 01 November 2018 - 01:17

Ah, thanks.. now it's working.

 

(It seems to be a step sequencer, rather. Similar to pianolol.)

 

Oh well, I'm glad it works for you.

 

I made an early prototype long ago that instead of moving the line in the progress of the song's reproduction, it moved the whole roll. But then the data moves (the slots of the notes) and does not allow you to comfortably read the position of the notes while the song is played. For some reason I did not like the result, it involved moving too many things. In fact I would love Renoise to have an optional scrolling mode similar to PRE, where the song is played but the pattern editor parameters do not move, only the line of the reproduction position is moved.


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 08:01

You can disable pattern scrolling using one of the button below the button right next to the record button. Oh man , I always forget about that, so you can actually edit while playing continues.


Edited by ffx, 01 November 2018 - 12:45.


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Posted 01 November 2018 - 15:15

You can disable pattern scrolling using one of the button below the button right next to the record button. Oh man , I always forget about that, so you can actually edit while playing continues.

 

If you have the PRE window in the foreground, you can use your keyboard commands. Look in the following link of the User's Guide: 7. Keyboard Commands. Navigation, control and editing.

 

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Key commands. Go to the "Preferences" window of the PRE and click on the "Keyboard Commands" tab.

 

PRE has more than 40 keyboard commands of its own, many of them common with Renoise. For example, press [Scroll] to change the playback mode (follow the player's position in the pattern).

 

Examine all keyboard commands well. You will see that there are some unpublished functions.


Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 01 November 2018 - 15:23.

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 11:13

All the hard work Raul has put into this and all the people crying for a pianololl for several years. And now it's here, yet no love from the crew (renoise and resident users in here). Seems wrong! I will try it as I love to bang out some drums one the keyboard and this seems just right for that. Thank you dear Raul.

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Posted 02 November 2018 - 12:05

I made an early prototype long ago that instead of moving the line in the progress of the song's reproduction, it moved the whole roll.

 

I'm pretty sure you need to build a canvas-like system to make a piano roll. And having it scroll in realtime isn't that important. Typically, I think there's only a playback line scrolling.



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Posted 02 November 2018 - 23:46

I'm pretty sure you need to build a canvas-like system to make a piano roll. And having it scroll in realtime isn't that important. Typically, I think there's only a playback line scrolling.

 

PRE works with the roll still, static, and following the playback line with a marker superimposed. Possibly the cleanest design graphically. So you can read much of the pattern (or the entire pattern) from the scroll without moving, following the playback.
 
Regarding moving the roll, it is only necessary to enclose it in a surrounding frame (a row or a column), and move it playing with the spacing value against another object (another row or column).
 
From what I've been able to experience, the graphic section of the viewbuilder is very fast graphically, as long as you have everything loaded into memory (edit: and not use textures). The only "problem" are the functions that access data: notes, parameters, etc. at the moment of wanting to update them massively almost "in real time". PRE loads and updates data on a mesh of 120 x 512 buttons, without counting the rest of the objects. That's 61440 buttons and the GUI works extraordinarily fast. If something works "a little slow", it is because of the functions that access certain data.
 
By the way, I recently updated my graphics card. To give you an idea I had an ATI 6950 of 2GB. Now I have a secondhand Nvidia GTX 1070 8GB, much more powerful, and Renoise works almost the same. It is very clear that the CPU is a determinant in Renoise, and when creating these programs, the functions that update the data must be optimized to the maximum. It gives a bit of anger that so much GPU power is not used at all.
 
Even if it made the roll twice as big, with twice as many objects, it would not graphically resent, but it should handle twice as much data in each update. All this made me decide that PRE would work with the static roll and the playback line moving. It is easier to see the patterns still, it is only necessary to get used to the transition between patterns, or between sections of each pattern, according to the number of lines on the roll.
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This is the effect of the automatic movement of the reproduction. The line follows the reproduction, the approach that I have always followed.
(although the capture of the GIF is very slow).

Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 03 November 2018 - 02:00.

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#21 Raul (ulneiz)

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 01:09

Not to be That Guy™ but distributing a demo version which is basically just a doublelly zipped folder of the source code doesn't bode well for getting people to pay you for your work. Don't get me wrong, I'm more than willing to pay for this for the great work you've done, and if you weren't asking for money but instead had a donation button I'd be more than down, but given you're distributing a plugin among dozens of other, some more complicated, plugins that I'm sure you use for free it sorta irks me that you'd ask the same community that you benefit freely from to pay you. 

 

I'm studying Computer and Electrical engineering right now, so I know more than anyone that you deserve to be paid for this hard work but context matters, and in this case youre just repaying the community that you've benefited from before.

 

so please make it a donation button both by the download and on launch of the plugin. I'll happily buy you a beer. 

 

Just my oppinon though. This is truly great work and I hope you continue to improve it! It's amazing you could pull this off in LUA at all.

 

Hello Vega again.

 

I did not have time before answering your opinion, since your " entire opinion" can confuse someone.. First of all this is a "tool" or program based on LUA, in XRNX format. An XRNX is the same as a ZIP, a compressed container file, with folders with other files, generally in LUA, XML, TXT, images and so on. LUA is a dependent code, depends on a host (Renoise). It can not be an executable with an executable package, such as renoise.exe, for example. Its format is an XRNX (or ZIP) container. Do not expect any programmer to pack LUA into an executable for a Renoise tool. Therefore, your first comment does not make sense. If you want to learn how to make your tools, follow the instructions in the tools forum. You will need time to learn, but with your studies it will be very easy for you.

 

On your comment on the role of the Renoise community, it seems that in your second comment in these forums you speak on behalf of her. This is a bit strange. A person who has not contributed anything here, is telling another person how to do things, just another who has been contributing things here in these forums for a long time. Yes, I take advantage of the knowledge that I learn for myself and to share it, and I do more to share the knowledge than to share "tools". You will find many comments of mine asking, discussing and sharing knowledge.

 

But one thing that differentiates me from you, is that I would never demand someone who does a job and wants some kind of support, that everything is free, much less adding a donation button. You speak of context. Look at the context. You have two options to choose from: A ) free, B ) donation. Do you think that people are so sweet and born in a fantasy world and choose option B )? I would love it to be like that, but reality is not like that. Many people want it all for free, and they download it with all the geta in the world, without thanking, or even protesting because it is not fair what they wanted. The worrying thing is that you are studying topics related to computer science, and you must assert your work... It's not that I care what you do, but it's good to remember.

 

Hopefully in these forums there would be people willing to pay, to support, and to promote projects, but unfortunately for the community that you defend so much it is not like that, everything is free and only "4" people make "tools", the rest, to download for free. It is curious that those people who do not contribute anything, only download, you do not mention them. I wish there was more variety: free tools, and payment tools, since they are many very different. In any case, if you do not test the programs, or even if you do not want how to use them, you will not know how to value what you have in front of you. But do not worry, there will be hardly any payment tools. Nobody in their right mind loses their time in these things, since few people in the community are willing to support. I am aware of that.

 

On the other hand, you take for granted that I use the tools of others, as if you knew me or you will use my computer. But I ask you, why do I want others' tools, if I make the ones I want? Why do you think I've learned to do it?

 

 As I said before, I respect your opinion, but I do not share it. It's all much simpler, if you want to support a developer, support it, otherwise, do not support it, but do not tell him what he has to do and do not tangle, how to do it and much less values his efforts by paying with a beer, as if you knew him and nor are you leading a faculty group of Computer. Maybe he does not like beer and this is not a cocktail bar, they are forums.

 

The people are free to do what they want with their time and work. If you do not like it, you know what to do. A good way to start is to do it yourself...


Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 03 November 2018 - 01:09.

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Posted 03 November 2018 - 01:58

All the hard work Raul has put into this and all the people crying for a pianololl for several years. And now it's here, yet no love from the crew (renoise and resident users in here). Seems wrong! I will try it as I love to bang out some drums one the keyboard and this seems just right for that. Thank you dear Raul.

 

Thanks Anthonio!

 

It is probably necessary that some time passes. This is a forum like many others, and there are many people here who still do not know of its existence. The information needs time to circulate, and here there is a lot of "hidden" information. Only with the guide can you get bored, and the PRE tool needs a bit of learning and adaptation, like any new thing...
 
Also some of us usually make the mistake of ignoring a lot of information provided and directly download the demo and try it, without knowing how to start or its potential. And just spent some time learning from the user guide and with practice, we got to learn to control the program in question.
 
On the other hand, keep in mind that the atmosphere in the forums is helpless. People want progress in Renoise and ask for things that never come. In the end people get tired. The Piano Roll issue is one of the oldest of these forums. Since I started with these forums, I have always had the illusion of building my own PR.

Edited by Raul (ulneiz), 03 November 2018 - 02:10.

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Posted 10 November 2018 - 16:49

Just registered to get a PRE license and show support. Awesome!


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Posted 10 November 2018 - 17:39

Just registered to get a PRE license and show support. Awesome!

 
Thank you very much for your support!
 
Enjoy it!

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Posted 11 November 2018 - 20:46

'Not to be That Guy™ but distributing a demo version which is basically just a doublelly zipped folder of the source code doesn't bode well for getting people to pay you for your work.'

 

It's too bad that  Renoise doesn't use LuaJIT that is much faster and can be compiled to bytecode.







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