Allow Free Movement of Active Row Hightlight/Cursor
Posted 19 February 2014 - 06:23
Currently, the active row (that is, the row you're adding notes to) is fixed to the center of the pattern window and remains stationary, while the pattern itself scrolls when you use the scroll wheel or arrow keys to move up or down, and also when you manually click into a new row. This drives me absolutely batty because I'm used to clicking into a new row when I want to add or edit a note, and that means the whole pattern suddenly jumps so that the row I clicked is in the middle (I find this extremely disorienting when I'm involved in laying down new tracks or editing note data). I come from 15 years of using ModPlug/OpenMPT, and it allows you the option to either keep the active row centered (like Renoise functions currently) *or* to freely move the active row, leaving the pattern itself stationary until the active row reaches the bottom of the pattern window. I find this issue in Renoise so off-putting it's actually the only reason I haven't gone ahead and bought a license.
I know this isn't a highly-requested option, but it has been requested before (see this thread for one discussion of it). It seems like such a simple option to include, but I have no idea what kind of potential difficulties the coding might involve. For the devs reading this, is this an option that could reasonably be implemented, or would it require too much programming gymnastics to justify it?
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 11:02
So you say here that you have refused to buy a licence for a couple of years because of this?
Posted 19 February 2014 - 11:49
The behavior I'm used to (milkytracker) is that the pattern only scrolls when the edit cursor is hitting the top or bottom of what is being displayed. Ideally I can then fit 64 rows on one screen and keep everything stationary all the time.
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 16:43
So you say here that you have refused to buy a licence for a couple of years because of this? />/>/>
Not for quite that long (I only discovered Renoise about a year or so ago). Keep in mind, though, that music is a hobby for me, something I do in the not particularly copious amount of free time I have, so anything that slows me down and disorients me as much as this problem does results in me not getting anything accomplished in the time I have to work on music (and not inclined to put money toward software that makes the time I spend on music less productive and less enjoyable). It's obviously different for people who make music for a living or who have more free time to work with a given piece of software.
Apart from the constant disorientation from jumping around, this one here drives me nuts, too:
That bothers me, too--so much unnecessary empty space contrived simply to keep the active row in the middle of the window. :-/
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 18:19
an option for this in the GUI preferences pane certainly couldn't hurt
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Posted 19 February 2014 - 19:31
Edited by esp81, 19 February 2014 - 19:34.
Posted 19 February 2014 - 21:59
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Posted 20 February 2014 - 18:38
Could a dev please respond to this? I've seen this requested many times, but don't remember seeing any reply from the renoise team.
dblue responded in the old thread I linked to in my original post, but it was only to acknowledge that he understood the problem, not that it was or was not something that was likely to ever be implemented, or whether it would be relatively simple to code, or an absolute nightmare.
I'd like to hear from a dev at least about how difficult this would be to do--it seems like a really small thing that ought to be easy, but the programming required might be disproportionately complicated.
Posted 20 February 2014 - 20:45
I suspect if it was easy, they would have done it and added a checkbox in the preferences to allow toggling between new and old behavior.
I'd like to hear from a dev at least about how difficult this would be to do--it seems like a really small thing that ought to be easy.
But i consider this button a nice toggle button for that behavior....
Pattern follow mode off then also means no pattern scrolling and pattern follow mode on, means centered edit position.
In that regard, they don't need to change much GUI wise and perhaps with Pattern follow mode off, this is also a much easier option to implement.
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Posted 21 February 2014 - 00:24
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Posted 24 February 2014 - 19:08
Yes, I would love to see this option because of this too. Although I don't mind the scrolling pattern when recording, there are many times when the possibility of fixed view over the whole pattern would be great. Definitely +1!
Posted 24 February 2014 - 21:40
I don't mind to see this added, but don't wait for it. Better start getting accustomed to Renoises workflow, or else you're always going to find (psychological) roadblocks /> .
I actually don't have any problems with any other part of Renoise's workflow--if this issue were addressed, I'd be off to the races.
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Posted 18 April 2014 - 21:29
+gazilion from me.
Edited by Johnny!, 18 April 2014 - 21:32.
Posted 12 August 2017 - 06:02
In lieu of having this native I've wondered if a tool could manage it. As a "maybe good enough" approach I was imagining a floating window with a read-only view of the current pattern state. It would update as the pattern was edited. Then you could edit on the centered line but still see the full pattern.
Food for thought.
(edit: This idea was prompted by this: http://forum.renoise...ss-piano-roll/)
Edited by Neurogami, 12 August 2017 - 18:13.
Posted 12 August 2017 - 19:24
I prefer to see this feature as part of the main program in regards to the editing/tracking behaviour (e.g. as in Jeskola Buzz). At least it would be nice to have the option.
Posted 14 August 2017 - 06:44
Posted 14 August 2017 - 16:01
wait how does pattern follow toggle not accomplish this
When you are in the "record mode" and click a cell with a mouse to select it - it just jumps away to somewhere in the middle. It is very confusing. Also, as it was mentioned before, you just can't see the whole pattern while editing on the "edges" of it.
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Posted 04 January 2018 - 00:28
Yeah, came here wondering if there was a way to fix this. It drives me absolutely bonkers and sorta discourages any mouse usage in the edit window.
Another person used Excel as an example, but I'd argue this would be a terrible design for ANY software outside of a first-person shooter.
I guess if you get by via shortcuts it's not much of a bother, but my memory seems maxed out on shortcut keys given the variety of media editing software with which I'm already working.
+1 on this feature. If I need to scroll, I'll use my wheel.