edit: guess he started using it in 2004 “My first Reason project was Amen Andrews in 2003, then YosepH which was part Reason, part analogue. The first all-Reason project was Kerrier District in 2004, followed by Wagon Christ’s Sorry I make you Lush which was all Reason too.” I really like Yoseph and would recommend it to anyone who hasn’t heard it
NOw that’s nothing more than a marketing stunt …ever heard a convincing 303 out of reason ? I don’t think so …I am sure vibert uses a lot of hardware sources ( 101,303,808 you name it ) and some reason for slicing up his audio material …don’t believe everything you read ( hmmm paradox ?)
I apologize for the anger in my previous post. I’ve been watching WAY too much youtube. The people on there talk constant smack about everyone on every subject. I can’t believe I let their opinions get to me so much that I actually started hating my own music and now I’m all defensive and crap. I’m sorry. Prolonged lack of trees could also be to blame for my agitation, horrible excuse I know, but thats another story.
Anyway I love Last Step and the Analord series. I’ve had some psychedelic experiences while listening to that music. Its what got me into acid actually. Anyway I didn’t mean to ruin the fun.
Quoting Luke Vibert again from the interview on Propellerheads site "Q What about all your 303 sounds?
A I’ve got a real 303 alongside Reason and I just sample it - I splice it up in 8 bar loops or whatever… "
Then again, I remember reading a comparing test of hardware 303 clones and the result was that they were all nice but Propellerheads Rebirth software clone beat them all. I think it was this site: http://www.acidvoice.com/
Yo Aaron! Cheers for the recommendations. I’ve wanted one of those 1961s for about 12 years btw.
I got myself a Yamaha QY700 h/w sequencer not long ago. Brilliant for getting away from the computer when you need to; feels really Detroit. Find myself doing completely different things with it.
@Night Driller: I agree with a lot of what you’re saying. And definetly stay away from Youtube comments pages unless you’re looking for an excuse to climb a clock tower with an automatic rifle.
With the sound source arguments, I think the part too many people miss is that electronic music’s (imo) always been much more about the relationship between the user and the technology than the end result… People get too hung up on a/b testing and trying to prove that you can do the same thing two different ways. And it’s all sort of meaningless because it’s about what actually do with what you’re working with - which, unless you’re trying to copy other people, is a completely abstract/unquantifiable thing.
Somehow I’ve become completely wrapped up on method and ergonomics, and in a weird way it’s become sort of more interesting for me to explore how these things effect how I make music than actually making cohesive end products… But I think if the process at some level isn’t something that genuinely interests you, it’s a waste of time…
I’d have to admit Rebirth’s 303 does sound quite authentic - my favourite s/w emulation. And all the h/w clones I’ve heard have definetly had their own character - (not that that’s a bad thing.)
But then again, Rebirth’s doesn’t really have that tone which could carry a track singlehandedly. (plus, you can’t program the things with a mouse.)
With things like Rebirth, which really do nail aspects of the sounds quite well in isolation (imo), it still surprises me how far you always are from making anything that really sounds or feels authentic.
I actually nicked the trick Rebirth uses for my own 808 kits though. You get an 808 Snare with no noise and layer it with one that’s been highpassed around 500-700hz. Then you just tune the first one, amp envelope the second. (when you retune an 808 Snare with the noise and hit together, you just get a silly Disco tom before long, or something which sounds like someone dropping a guitar amp.)
(…and you can actually find the Snare split into high and low in the Rebirth sample folder, although I prefer Goldbaby’s 808 samples. And then, if you’ve got an old Emu sampler, you’ve really got something that feels 808-like. There’s a subtle, overdriven dirt on the older Emus which gives small sounds a presense and physicality which it often feels like good convertors strip away.)