That’s pretty much only thing I’m missing atm. Can’t wait to see it !
AND piano-roll doesn’t suck 
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E1: Thread opened at 28 December 2002, o whadafuQ. Where’s my piano-roll! XD
E2: If you’re still about to make this happen, take a look at Image-Lines piano-roll. It’s tbh. the only decent pianoroll out there imho.
Please make the pianoroll horizontal and not vertical. It’s just to unlogic to read. When you are editing notes with the mouse and you need some note to be at a higher frequency, then you want it to move up… not to the right. Stylesheet music is also read from left to right… not downwards.
“Help me. I can’t ever remember which keys on my piano/keyboard play higher notes! It’s so illogical!!!”
It’s not illogical in the slightest! Just not what you’re used to…
Really, if you’re actually working with renoise you should be able to see time moving from top to bottom, and some other things ordered from left to right too. It’s not that much of a hassle in most human brains, I would hope.
And what kaza said. Are you really playing the piano like you are reading (: annoying backwards smilies?
My personal preference would still be a horizontal piano roll, but for other reasons. Few would argue that a vertical sample editor is ideal, and this is because a screen is wider than it is tall, and it’s more useful to have the higher resolution for time and the lower for amplitude. The same goes for the piano roll, with most instruments you’ll work within four octaves, and it’ll easily fit vertically, resulting in notes that are easy to see and select. You’ll often want to display quite a lot of time, maybe the entire pattern, and the higher horizontal area is ideal for this.
Now change it around. You’ll get maybe room for eight octaves of easily clickable notes, but how often will you compose a melody that needs this? Would you sacrifice the resolution for time (so you’ll have to zoom and scroll a lot more) for a slightly better resolution for pitch (that you usually won’t need). As opposed to a piano roll, with a pattern editor, you give time the highest resolution by making it vertical as text representations of notes and instruments takes a lot of horizontal space. That’s why it’s vertical. It doesn’t mean every type of editor benefits from it.
Most people can adjust their brains easily to both a horizontal and vertical piano roll, and Renoise shouldn’t be adjusted to those who can’t. It’s irrelevant if you think of pitch as up/down or left/right. It’s irrelevant how you map a piano onto a screen in your brain. However, it’s equally irrelevant how you’re used to work with a tracker pattern editor, because this isn’t about one. Being attached to a type of interface can get in the way of seeing what makes sense. If it’s vertical, I’ll adjust to that in a minute - but I’ll always be annoyed for having greater resolution for pitch where it’s less needed, just like I’d always be annoyed if the Renoise sample editor was vertical.
Hey guys, its possible to have a piano roll that is switchable between vertical and horizontal. Ohm studio had this in one of the beta versions and was uber cool. Best of both worlds, this combined with a zoomable pattern editor would probably be a killer 
Out of curiosity, do you think there will actually be a piano roll in a reasonable amount of future? Renoise 3 is coming next and will probably have some bad ass stuff, but this?
I certainly wouldn’t mind that solution. Though I have the opinion that a horizontal one is objectively better in most cases, shorter sequences that stretch over lots of octaves may actually benefit from a vertical one.
But it should be able to be viewed at the same time alongside the current style of pattern data. That is simply not possible with a horizontal view!
Why should it? I’d rarely use that because the pattern editor and piano roll would both have too limited space. Whatever the advantage is, having the higher resolution (horizontal) for time outweighs it.
Besides, a vertical pattern editor and horizontal piano roll side by side works just as well if the current location and mouse location is shown in both simultaneously as a reference point. It’d allow you to scroll and zoom both individually. Maybe have the piano roll way more zoomed in where the cursor is in the pattern editor to do micro-adjustments to note timings.
To me, it all comes down to horizontal/vertical space. All screens today are widescreen, and on top of that Renoise normally has the disk browser/track DSP areas at top and bottom (and I like to have them visible), which makes the song data area at least twice as tall horizontally as vertically. Piano rolls are better for editing one instrument at a time, or editing multiple instruments in a shared piano roll with different colored notes. It’d be so odd to dedicate all this horizontal space for pitch.
So you don’t like being able to see your melody parts at the same time as your drums? Viewing multiple instruments at once? Without the issues of needing multiple colours and the fact this doesn’t work when both play the same note at the same time!
Not in simultaneously visible piano rolls. There’s a good reason sequencers rarely show more than two editable piano rolls while keeping a “block” representation of the different sequences. A piano roll simply needs a lot of space. There’s the pattern editor for what the pattern editor does best. It can be compact thanks to pitch not taking up any extra space, but if we take that knowledge and think it can apply to a piano roll, we’ll take away what the piano roll does best - and what’s then the reason for adding it?
The horizontal/vertical space is super important. You must look at it through that perspective. I need a big piano roll with lots of horizontal space to represent the sequence I’m working on. Lots of small vertical piano rolls makes no sense to me.
But seeing melody alongside beats I would say is very important! Even if only one of them is shown as a piano roll and the rest using the current pattern data representation. That would not be possible if it was only horizontal!
Although then being able to double-click on a partion of it (or through context-menu) and open in an expanded horizontal view might be very beneficial to some. I think the core integration should be around the existing pattern editor structure.
Evertything’s gonna be customizable in Renoise v3. We’ll even have horizontal pattern editor, vertical sample editor, whatever we want!! Nice.
Happy 11 year birthday to this thread!
(For real!)
rofl at taktik trolling the thread
haha, oh my!
I can see how this would make things easier for users who are use to pr’s. But imo i could easily do without it, in fact i hate the things since discovering trackers.
And it kind of makes sense because that’s how Renoise’s pattern editor is laid out anyway.
It amazes me that after all these years people are still trying to figure out what it should look like. Maybe we should decide how we are going to implement it first?
(and even that’s probably pushing it a little)
Well I find seq24 for linux is a really good piano roll. Although it does not seem to synchronise very well with renoise with a hardware synth.