Follow pattern in Phrase editor

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For note entry in the phrase editor :slight_smile:

Step length, essentially

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I’d imagine something that satisfies both parties is to allow a user to follow the playhead if there is only one instance of it. Glock looks pretty neat though, I’ve a lot more to learn about phrases for sure.

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And then Renoise would have to check every pattern and track in the song to see if a phrase was being used more than once or not…

I hope you (and others) can see/understand how quickly this becomes quite a waste of resources in an application that is already doing a huge amount of work to keep things sync’ed…

And there’s still no clear or sensible way to handle what happens when you actually play two (or more) single phrases at once… what exactly is the pattern (phrase) follow supposed to follow in that situation? The first triggered note? The last triggered note? What is “best” or “expected” behaviour?

This is quite a weird grey area…

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I definitely see how things could get crazy from a playback standpoint. Not everyone uses the phrases like a repository like me. I wouldn’t see it being a waste of resources if phrase follow was at least an option for recording purposes. I think everyone who live records (keyboard or midi) could see the benefit in that.

I see how phrase follow at all times could be messy, Renoise is not as simple as an Ableton or the others. Their workflows and structure are pretty straightforward. But I wouldn’t want to see the basic stuff get overshadowed or forgotten.

Either way the OP’s question was answered already. Just my two cents

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i get and also don’t get, what you mean.
if i enter notes in phrase editor, with quantization, how does the step length get affected? i don’t see Note Offs appearing.

i must be missing something really obvious here.

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Note offs must be entered manually, just as in the pattern editor, afaik. The Phrase quantization value affects the step length for note entry

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i don’t understand. then what is the difference between Phrase Editor “Edit Step” and Phrase Editor “Quantize”?

EDIT: i keep trying not to say it, because it’s obvious and shouldn’t need to be stated, but:

there is no reason for “Phrase Editor” to have “Set Quantization to…” if there is no Quantization in the Phrase Editor UI, and if there is no Follow Pattern / Follow Phrase in the Phrase Editor UI

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I apologize, my error. Quantization step has nothing to do with edit step, lol. I was confused (once again :upside_down_face:)

Quantization in the phrase editor sets the resolution for the quantize operation in the phrase editor

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ok, got it. that’s what it is for. but is it really true that the ui doesn’t show the quantization amount?

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I don’t see it represented graphically anywhere on the phrase UI, but maybe I’m missing something

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yeah, that’s why it’s so weird that it’s there but still isn’t shown in the ui at all

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Right next to the scale selector, there is Q, here you can set and apply quantization?

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So are we really gonna ignore that freakin awesome theme? Which one is that??

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Haha, thanks! It’s called Acid Grey and may soon be available to everyone :wink:

I’ve got custom textures and logos on it, though…

Actually, here ya go
Acid Grey (slujr).xrnc (5.0 KB)

minus textures

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Hell yeah thanks

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yeah buddy! enjoy :smiley:

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adding to paketti theme selector
(there’s now 569 themes in paketti theme selector, so glad to keep it up-to-date)

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In the musically most easily us( e )able, and most often selected screnario, a musician/people will end up using Phrases, to play beats or melodies created in them, that are musically built with the ideas in/around the current song

Instead of using, ( extraordinary, yet cool ) randomizing features or algorithms to create something that sounds randomly generated

This is why the expected behavior, in a musical program would have to be Playback Follow On & Starting from the Last note

-with an option to toggle the last note or first note, if for some reason it makes better sense to someone to see that, and then other options like no follow at all, like it’s now, for those using ‘the strongest of randomizations’ etc.

So basically, the whole point of Phrases, for most musicians, will not be present, when the Song Follow is not on