try with delay column on one pattern and when is “groovy” enough paste the delay pattern all over the tracks
Meh. (quote)
Someone should make an easy and good groove-tool!
Agreed!
Btw i use LPB 8 (around 140BPM), so whats the best way to use the Delay’s in the pattern?
I thought there already was.
I don’t know if it is as easy as you had in mind though…
http://tools.renoise.com/tools/groove-tool
yeah, I have that tool, but it does strange things in its current incarnation, or maybe I need to upgrade it? Dragging one of the sliders or changing other parameters in the tool 'cause all note events to disappear.
Errr, now it does seem to work, probably I need to try this one out more often! 
i think the groove settings should be revisited by the dev team. if even dblue says they are ‘indeed weird’, how are any of us mere mortals going to make sense of them? will try and muck around with these some more tonight.
In the meanwhile im going to try that groove-tool out 
To be perfectly honest I find the values quite meaningless anyway. The only thing that matters to me is: ‘does this sound good?’
So for my personal workflow I usually just set all 4 sliders to the same value, and if that value sounds pretty good for my song then I’m happy.
Thats what i tried as well. all the sliders less LPB more LPB different slider-settings. And always when i think “this sounds right” its still a bit “off”.
So i just can’t get it to sound perfect for some reason.
I think we just need a “Simple-Groove” (1-slider) and “Advanced-Groove” (4-sliders) in song settings. Or maybe as a “Track-DSP” to groove individual tracks.
yeah i get what you mean. but i think it should be both… even with meaningful sliders you can still just focus on whether it sounds good or not.
with respect to your workflow: i thought i once made a suggestion for an option to chain/link/connect sliders, so you could move 1 slider and it would move the linked slider(s) with it. can’t find it though. but it would make your life easier i suppose.
It’s almost impossible to hear the difference between groove turned off, the presets and a bunch of random settings.
tried it out yesterday and that was my impression as well. but i work at quite a high speed (360bpm, 8lpb) so i figure that could be the reason?
Hi It would be greet if this function can be make more easy to access in the next Renoise update. For me, a dude who normally use Cubase its sometimes really hard, to understand how its work in Renoise 
I agree. The Groove function is a bit of a let-down. Nobody understands it and it hardly seems to do anything.
I think the best groove/swing settings I’ve come across on a DAW would be Reason. And you can do per-track settings too.
Maybe the groove settings aren’t the same as what you’d find in other software, but the feature itself works fine and is perfectly capable of grooving/shuffling/swaaaanging the shit out of your beats.
The concept itself is really not complicated at all: The amount of groove is applied to each alternating 16th note in your pattern. If you’re working at 4 LPB then a 16th note = 1 pattern line, if you’re working at 8 LPB then a 16th note = 2 pattern lines, and so on…
Just set up a very basic 16th note sequence of closed highhats or rimshots or some other percussive sound. Enable groove and set all the sliders to around 40% - 50%. If you toggle groove on and off every few seconds while the pattern is playing, you should easily be able to hear the effect.
Here’s a quick example file:
2194 dblue-groovy-808-beat.xrns
Just toggle groove on and off while this pattern is playing.
Thanks, it seems that my song with all sliders on either 35% or 40% does the trick!
I use LPB 8 and 140BPM.
Also these settings sounds very nice :
0&1 - 35%
1&2 - 0%
2&3 - 35%
3&4 - 0%
Thanks DBlue. I can hear it now. I usually use closed hats on every 2nd line and it doesn’t work if you do that.
I’m very pleased to have come across this thread as I spent some time trying to figure out the groove settings over the weekend. The thing that I still don’t really understand is that if I set the groove for 0&1 at 100%, I’d expect that note 0&1 should sound at the same time as 1&2, but this doesn´t seem to be the case. I realise that doing that would be a bit pointless most of the time, but I just can’t seem to get the kind of hard swing (a dotted eighth-sixteenth) that I would expect from adjusting 0&1 and 2&3 to 50% (which is what I think should be the “correct” value). Have I got the wrong end of the stick?
The values of the groove settings are completely nonsense, just like the “explanation” (Renoise Wiki - Groove Settings) is. Already simply trying the example described in the manual shows, it does not work like it’s described there.
Quote: “In other words, a groove of 25% means the first note will be extended to 125%, while the second note will be shortened to 75% and triggered with a 25% delay, creating the groove/swing. Technically speaking, a 100% groove would mean that the second note is triggered together with the third.”
Well, if you do so and set all values to 100, you can hear the pink pony galloping, but never 2 notes triggered at the same time. The calculation of the timing is simply wrong, just like the explanation in the tutorial is.
If you want to achieve a normal (nearly) 25% groove (like for common house trax) set all sliders to 37%, for a more subtile (nearly) 12% groove set all sliders to 18%.
Now, anyone noticed it??? 25 hexadecimal = 37 decimal, 12 hexadecimal = 18 decimal. I already told month ago there seems to be some data type conversion bug. But hey, back then none cared about it and I really don’t think it’s gonna be different this time. If I were an admin, I’d have already put a [solved] in front of the thread (just an insider 
SCNR).
Well, at least now you know how to calculate your settings. Enter your desired (decimal!) groove value like it is as a hexadecimal into some calculator and convert it to decimal then: Voila, your groove setting value. But you better still don’t expect the groove settings to work like you’d think , when trying to set up a more complex groove, even if you understood the tutorial in the manual. Because as soon as you enter different values in some lines instead of pairs, your groove becomes uncontrollable nonsense with exactly every 2nd beat (quarter note).
The description is indeed wrong here. 100% shifts by 2/3rd of the original line duration.
This does not really make it easier to use and understand though. Maybe we should replace this percentage slider thing, with a notation where you place the line times directly.
straight:
[1] [2] [3] [4] > Lines
-|----|----|----|------------
* * * * > Timing
shuffle:
[1] [2] [3] [4] > Lines
-|----|----|----|------------
* * * * > Timing
Does this make more sense?
There are also strange things happening when using other LPB than 4, which are very hard to explain, but maybe easier to demonstrate and edit this way.
I thought you wanted to be an outsider? 
SCNR