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I am experimenting with using one instrument for an entire song.

beats phrases on octave 0

basslines on octave 1

melodies on octave 2

chord progressions on octave 3

fx on octave 4

If I can easily transpose notes, and play more than one note at a time, then I can fit more samples on an instrument. As things are now, if I want a bass sound that I can play over two octaves then I need to spread it over 2 octaves on the sampler.

shrug just trying to use renoise in a way that feels powerful and makes sense to me. I love the idea of having my entire song in a single instrument, with the parts broken up into phrases. It keeps things simple and self-contained, and lets me remix songs easily by using the beats from one song and the bassline from another, for example. I have the different samples routed to fx chains w/ outputs set to different channels on my interface.

But how many phrases or varieties of those do you really need for a song? Isn’t 120 enough?

You could give every key its own phrase or varieties of the phrase, at different pitches, basenotes or whatever you want, to make the keys each its own building block for the track. You get to have 120 different ones, but if you still need to transpose a phrase at some point, then you could use the --E00 to reset the envelope and the --GFF (stacked if more than 16 semitones).

This way you wouldn’t need to use up 2 whole octaves for a single bass phrase if you only need it tuned to, lets say, C2, C#2, G2 and C3. You would only need 4 out of 120 keys if you map the 4 keys to the right basenote.

I think i’ll try this myself, could be fun to play with a song in an instrument with my MIDI keyboard. :slight_smile:

1 thing you have to remember is that the polyphony is limited to 12 in a single instrument, so if you’re using a lot of chords and overlapping samples you’ll probably end up with sounds disappearing.

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But how many phrases or varieties of those do you really need for a song? Isn’t 120 enough?

You could give every key its own phrase or varieties of the phrase, at different pitches, basenotes or whatever you want, to make the keys each its own building block for the track. You get to have 120 different ones, but if you still need to transpose a phrase at some point, then you could use the --E00 to reset the envelope and the --GFF (stacked if more than 16 semitones).

This way you wouldn’t need to use up 2 whole octaves for a single bass phrase if you only need it tuned to, lets say, C2, C#2, G2 and C3. You would only need 4 out of 120 keys if you map the 4 keys to the right basenote.

I think i’ll try this myself, could be fun to play with a song in an instrument with my MIDI keyboard. :slight_smile:

1 thing you have to remember is that the polyphony is limited to 12 in a single instrument, so if you’re using a lot of chords and overlapping samples you’ll probably end up with sounds disappearing.

I don’t follow…are you saying that I can get a bass note mapped ONLY to C1 to play at multiple pitches? I tried something yesterday and it seemed like it was possible w/ phrase transpose but I think I just made a mistake and had not adjusted the sample key mapping…

I have plenty of phrases - that’s the point. I can put an entire song in a single instrument using phrases. Transposing samples, as opposed to mapping them to ranges, would make it extremely easy for me to put an entire song in a single instrument using phrases. There are at least two workarounds, as this thread has shown:

  • Set TPL to 1 - not ideal, because I lose ticks-based effects

  • use very high LPB in my phrases. I can handle this second approach.

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I don’t follow…are you saying that I can get a bass note mapped ONLY to C1 to play at multiple pitches? I tried something yesterday and it seemed like it was possible w/ phrase transpose but I think I just made a mistake and had not adjusted the sample key mapping…

I have plenty of phrases - that’s the point. I can put an entire song in a single instrument using phrases. Transposing samples, as opposed to mapping them to ranges, would make it extremely easy for me to put an entire song in a single instrument using phrases. There are at least two workarounds, as this thread has shown:

  • Set TPL to 1 - not ideal, because I lose ticks-based effects

  • use very high LPB in my phrases. I can handle this second approach.

Haha, no you’re right, it’s not as simple as i made it seem, my brain didn’t quite process every aspect.

I can’t try this at the moment, but what if you add an extra s00 to the line? In addition to the e00 and gff, maybe that would work? Or would it trigger the wrong phrase perhaps?

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Yea having no sample pitch/semit offset as a command is a shame

Case in point - I want to load a drumkit of one shots and be able to choose the sound by note - then creatively offset the per sample pitch via a sample effect comand. Having to spread every drum sample over an octave is really tedious - esp when on laptop without 49+ keys

Another use - i take a sample eg C4, process with sample dsp a few times (for tonal variations) - leaving me to ‘drum map’ sonic variations of this c4 sample across the keyboard - i then just wanna trial/sequance the tonal variations with ‘chromatic’ notes, then deal with the pitch up/down harmonic choice independently via sample effect comands

It seems off that you can’t independently command a sample to pitch up down without accomodating a huge chunk of per sample key range mapping

Having to load up x instruments - is long - losing the commonality in dsp chains, envelopes etc

PLEASE @taktik