I got sick of it, it made my skin pastelly, gave me a headache, and blocked my nose up…that + feeling like i was pissed in sum time space vortex didnt do it for me anymore…one last night of binge and i pulled the plug.
It’s like walking around with binoculars on the wrong way round…
If you want to trip, just take a tab of LSD, it’s alot less fucked up.
Both total lies. It is used on nearly all animals as it has less side-effects than nearly any other anaesthetic (in the short term usage at least.) It is used
for children in human hospital for the same reason, and old people they are worried about slipping too far under to give a general anaesthetic. So in short it is used in exactly the opposite situations than you stipulate.
BotB: That is sad, although to be honest doesn’t sound much like ketamine as it is a drug with a fair amount of research done into short term usage (they wouldn’t use it in paediatric wards otherwise.) Sounds more like stories you hear from mixing GHB and Alcohol than Ketamine. Or something badly synthesised in a back street laboratory.
Meh! I’ve ended up coming across from the wrong side but guess I’m trying to defend the propaganda that is perpetrated by many.
Currently the main know, negative side-effect of ketamine is crystal formation in the kidneys and bladder (resulting in a number of people I know now having colostomy bags and one person with a 50/50 chance of being with us tomorrow after spending the last year in hospital and about to go in for her 7th operation after bladder reconstruction surgery not going as planned. Didn’t really want to get into the reasons here (at least until we know the results and know her family are OK with it, although she did start documenting herself before being admitted and wanting to produce a book/info pack to warn people about the real danger) but that’s pretty much it in a nutshell…)
Plus theorised Olney’s Lesions, but that’s mainly based on work on PCP and although the two drugs are related they are also very different.
Anyway can everybody spare a thought for my friend Kaylie today and hope she pulls through OK. Doctors have given her 50% chance of being out within 6 weeks and 50% chance of not at all. I really am feeling quite upset today and have to go out today so catch yo all later…
it’s good fun in small doses on the couch listening to music. if you can get a bit try some. you’ll like it! there’s no need to take lines the length of your arm (as with all drugs!).
btw, kazkore i hope your friend is ok! fingers crossed dood.
yer, i second that…hope she gets through it, and is better on the other side!
here, its mostly used as veterinary medicine. for bulls and cows.
the effect as drug on humans isnt fully clarified.
the most dangerous part at consuming ketamine is the dosage!!!
so, just to be safe, please dont use it at all!
… for your liver and kidneys.
and the use for children is very controversial.
“Both total lies. …”
btw.: every country has its own legal appointment for the application of ketamine and sorts of that.
engine, that’s the same as I heared: it’s the dosage that does it! So in a way, it’s the ignorance that kills, not the drug…?
Kazakore, I’m very sorry to hear that 
I hope all will go well!! You don’t sound like you’re defending drug-use, rather keeping it relative. There are a lot of old wives tales about drugs, but as with any story, there’s a basis of truth in them.
some negative aspects to consider:
- it makes you impossible to have a conversation with for anyone not on it
- moving or standing up becomes difficult
- the comedown is mental blankness, which is a bit scarey if you value your brain at all
- it has some properties which lend itself to psychological addictiveness more than say, LSD
- typically less interesting than mushrooms or LSD unless you’re taking the john lilly approach and injecting yourself with it in an isolation tank to communicate with dolphins(don’t try this at home)
- can lead to egocentric behaviour, paranoia and a sense that everything revolves around you in a bad way, leading to depression (or communication with dolphins)
- prevents tracking and can prevent tracking the following day(s) due to cramps in your fingers and/or dolphins stealing your laptop.
of course disassociatives in their various forms have a long history of use so there must be something appealing about it. also several of the points from my list apply to large amounts of alcohol and almost anything done to excess.
someone at my skl tried to be kl with ket. Story got out that he threw up everywhere…
we all neigh at him now… it is funny
In Barcelona we were offered some ketamine, but we slightly refused. I mean… What’s wrong with the regular stuff - beer, wine and weed (and some mushrooms). is there really a urge to take something else? I’ll answer to it by myself - No.
Yeah I think decent drug education should be based around the facts and people’s true experiences. I don’t like scaremongering used in an effort to put people off trying a substance, once they find out one of the things they have always been told is false they may well assume they all are. Let people know the real pros and cons of everything and make up their own minds.
Alcohol still causes more deaths than any other drug no matter which way you want to look at it and this is sanctioned and taxed by the state.
I would say Ketamine is actually very addictive. The fact it has always been reported as not being so (as it’s not really physically addictive until you get to the point you have K Cramps and it’s the only thing that will take them away) and people will not admit it psychologically addictive until it may be too late for them.
Long term kidney and bladder problems and addictiveness are the main points I feel should be emphasised. More research needs to be done on Olney’s Lesions (holes forming in the brain, so I guess similar to Spongiform Encephalitis (most famous for CYD/Mad Cow Desiese)) although there is no direct evidence linking it to Ketamine there is to related substances (PCP) it is still kinda valid if your sole purpose is to put somebody off without lying to them.
The be aware of yourself/be careful/everything in moderation can be said about every mind/mood altering substance. Do your research first, at least first time you try a substance try and do it in a safe environment with a sober “sitter” to be there in case there are any adverse effects.
At the end of the day kid, have fun, BUT be careful and make sure you are informed. Do not rely on the state to do this in any reasonable manner.
hilarious 
after seeing this I don’t feel the urge to try it
Just heard the operation went well so that’s a good start. Let’s hope it’s been a true success this time and she is on the road to recovery and will be out soon.
D.M. Turner - The Essential Psychedelic Guide - Ketamine - The Ultimate Psychedelic Journey
Okay, the man drowned in his bathtub high on K, but he has written some very nice must-read stuff of his extraordinary explorations
And don’t forget Journeys Into The Bright World by Marcia Moore, who died of exposure deep in the woods after going out on a snowy night after a large dose of ketamine (with various theories as to exactly why and what happened.)
Have had it afew times. Never enough to hallucinate or end up in the hole. what I have found is that there isn’t much of a comedown exept for this strange feeling that something crap is happening to the world… like people are getting a bit messed up mentally, or already are… foreboding. Anyway, it’s fun and all but not much to wrie home about, other than being like getting drunk sans the nausea and need to piss. I feel pretty goofy on K, think Iinteract better on LSD or MDMA. In genereal tough I’m fa less atracte to drugs than I used to be. With the exception of alcohol - case in point (spelling)
My ex girlfriend used to go on about how she wanted to do K… about how she felt (without having tried it) that it was the perfect drug. Needless to say, when I stopped doing drugs, all she had to say was “it’s a shame you quit… you never did shrooms!”
epic facepalm
Love: the perfect drug.
good to hear 
