There’s a ‘tip’ I personally can’t even call a tip. So I post an imho similar example to make it obvious, posting in a very friendly and imo fun way. Not a single time relating it to the person that did the original posting. And to make absolutely sure none gets it wrong, I even explicitly say “Nothing personal at all. Peace!”. Agreed?
The first respond then is “…i understand this is not a personal attack, and would never take it that way. i do think you responded without thinking…”. I just thought “Well, maybe you would also be pissed a bit. So just don’t reply to this.” The second respond, when most people already had agreed, was “at any rate, both your and Bit_Arts comments have added nothing of value whatsoever to this tip. so why bother posting?”
Then I replied and posted a (agreed: sarcastic) reply the original poster obviously would like to read, still not insulting anyone with a single word. I even took all his “points” and agreed, so the discussion ends, but my point is still clear.
I’d like you to answer now:
Who got personal first?
Who tried to belittle whom first?
Who became insulting first?
Who was the first one using the word “asshole” in this thread?
Seriously, is it possible to post anything but unexceptional technical stuff, without being considered to be an “asshole”? Is it possible just to post an opinion or make some fun? The usual result this always ends up with is SICK…
Beside this you might want to think over, if its appropriate for an admin to be the first one using the word “asshole”. But thanks for trying to teach me manners.
@Bit_Arts: I’d prefer not to get into a silly argument with you over this, because I’m pretty sure you knew what you were doing when you replied. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter if you half-heartedly said “nothing personal at all” in your first reply to rhowaldt - it’s pretty clear to me (and others, I’m sure) that you replied in a sarcastic and condescending manner that was intended to belittle rhowaldt’s post. You seemed to be implying that his “tip” was so ridiculously basic that he shouldn’t have even bothered posting it in the first place. Am I wrong?
Flipping this around for a moment, how would you feel if I had replied to one of your (excellent) tips & tricks posts with: “WTF?! This idea is so basic and obvious, any n00b already knows how to do it, why did you even bother posting this?.. no offense… lol”? Would it make any difference that I said “no offense” or something else like “nothing personal”? I highly doubt it. I’m sure you would have been equally annoyed that I had posted such nonsense to your thread, since it didn’t add any value at all to the original post.
There’s absolutely nothing to think over here, and no inappropriate behaviour. The fact that I’m a forum admin doesn’t change the fact that I’m a human being and an active member of this community, nor does it change the fact that I will gladly speak my mind when I feel it’s necessary. The only reason I’m an admin is to help moderate the spam that infects the forum on a daily basis, and to assist registered users with support requests. Apart from that you can consider me a regular user. You won’t get any special treatment from me, nor do I expect any from you.
Of course you prefer this, because otherwise you’d lose your poor arguments within the blink of an eye.
“Half-Heartedly”? Who do you think you are to rate my intentions? If there’s one thing to be sure, then its the fact I usually mean the things I write. I guess that’s exactly why some people here might have a pick on me. And when I’m sarcastic, it’s gonna be hard not to notice it. If YOU use to write things you don’t mean, this might tell something about you, not about me. Beside that you claimed before, I was trying to belittle rhowaldt, and not his post only. Which was not the case and which I can’t even see any reason for.
True. Still my opinion. And I’m obviously not alone with this opinion.
Sorry, but this really made me laugh out loud. Maybe you don’t remember, but I still do. Something pretty similar happened when I joined this forum. And it happened for far more complex and sophisticated tips, tricks and setups. I was working really hard for the community. Remember the results? Fighting against stupid comments brought ME the name of a flamer, nazi and similar insane and brainless stuff. I was even compared with Hitler by some psychos. Back then none here found something wrong with this. While the old troll-farts here kept feeding themselfes and their disease, I was only the arrogant new one, trying to show off. Thank god these psychos are gone meanwhile. My infamous name is still left. Meanwhile I rarely visit the forum, while I still try to help here and there, when I’m able to. But as soon as I post anything else but technical help, I’m only “the flamer” again and discussions start over again. One of the reasons, why I’m rarely here.
The only thing you really know about me is, I’m someone naming things straight. That’s normally just called “telling the truth”. And if some people can’t handle the simple truth, that’s these people’s lack, not mine. So give me a break from things like “it’s pretty clear to me (and others, I’m sure)…”, “I’m pretty sure…” or similar assumptions and stop telling me, what I’m thinking, because this is your personal phantasy only. You most obviously don’t know fucking anything about me.
That’s your reasoning and legitimation for calling someone an asshole? Being human, being an active member, speaking your mind and stuff like that. Calling someone an asshole by you is okay, but replying on a topic without a single insulting word by me is not, because it’s condescending? Man, are you some special kind of human? Did I miss something? Am I a dead pole or what makes the difference between you and me? I’d say: CHECK YOURSELF FIRST, before you try to teach others! It seems you’ve got the way worse manners and don’t even notice it. And get a handle on the idea you’d know anything about other peoples intentions.
DISCUSSION ENDS HERE FOR ME, self-righteous Mr. Zero-Self-Awareness.
I didn’t actually call anyone in particular an asshole. I simply addressed everyone that replied to this thread, and said that the act of trying to belittle a user who is only trying to help others makes you look like an asshole.
So if you’re offended about being called an asshole, then logically you must be admitting to intentionally trying to ridicule rhowaldt and make him look stupid for posting his tip?
If that’s true, then yes, my comments were directed at you, asshole. If that’s not true, then you’ve got nothing to be concerned about, have you?
Since a locked thread is imminent, i’m going down guns blazing.
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@dblue & danoise & Conner: thanks, for saying it all and for appreciating the simple, basic, useful tip i posted.
@Bit_Arts: i do not know about your history here on the forums, i’m sure i wasn’t here yet when all that stuff happened, and it sounds to me like you were treated badly (i wasn’t there, so i’ll take your word for it). you have posted many excellent tips and tricks here on the forums, way more complex than the one i posted here, and really, thanks for that, because i’ve used many of your tips and tricks in the past.
This thread is an excellent example of the principle that the length and intensity of an Internet argument is inversely proportional to its significance.
Well, you could also simply stop earlier instead of trying to have the last word.
I don’t mind people trying to make fun of eachother here or giving strong criticism, but ofcourse there always is a limit somewhere and everybody has some generic common sense of where that limit is (usually when the made point is clear enough).
The sooner that you quit responding using the road you stepped into, the sooner the irritation stops or turns into a worse emotion.
For me, DSP and sound design are the most obscure topics when it comes to create electronic music.
I don’t see the point of making fun of someone who try to improve the knowledge base of the forum (Renoise help is IMHO not being exhaustive on that topic) even if it’s not an ‘elite’ tip …
Imagine some football team in a training camp. No matter if pro or amateur league. The trainers and players are exchanging/practicing some tips and tricks on the field. And at some point one of the players says “Hey, I found out its a good idea to use your foot to kick the ball.” or maybe “Kicking the ball works way better with some shoes.” or something similar. What ever. People who don’t know football might be thankful for something like this, because they need the knowledge to learn and play the game. But if you were one of his team mates on the field, would you consider this a tip or trick? Worth being told in a training lesson?
My point is, if people don’t know basic things, there’s nothing wrong with this at all. But it’s not “tips & tricks”. It’s just some missing basic knowledge. So, if rhowaldt’s advise is useful to you, I’m for sure not going to tell, it is not. But it actually only shows, you yet miss some basic knowledge of devices and of what they can do and can’t do. It’s simply about (not) knowing your tools. No matter if in Renoise, in Ableton, Cubase or what ever. It still doesn’t become a tip or trick because of that.
Back to your posting, what would have been the reaction of the footballer’s team mates? And would they have been outrageous to make fun of his advise? I’m fine, if you answer this question yourself only.
@Bit_Arts: in the matter of the football-players, you are right. it would be a very basic thing to say. however, the question here is whether your analogy is accurate. in other words: is this tip of the same level of simplicity as your football-example? i think it isn’t.
if my tip were ‘unmute your sound to hear something coming out of Renoise’, that would be on par with your football-analogy. if i were to think of a football-tip that fits in this analogy when using it with my Renoise-tip, i’d think ‘when you jump a second before you think an air-ball reaches you, you’ll hit it instead of going under it’ would be more accurate of an analogy.
what i find strange is that you first said you’d end the discussion, which you are now back to pick up. second (and this is even stranger to me), you replied to dblue by saying you’ve had similar experiences in the past here on the forums where people were disrespectful of tips you posted. this was because they thought they were not tips but basic knowledge that everyone should already have. you hated when this happened to you, and yet here you are, doing exactly the same. why would you do that?
I kept the football example simple to make the actual point obvious, not to make you look stupid. In fact it doesn’t matter, what example I use. It’s only about understanding the point. If you like this one better, let’s take usage of screw driver. It wouldn’t be a tip or trick to tell someone “turn the screw driver the other way around and the screw comes out”. That’s basic knowledge of a tool. A tip or trick would be, to tell someone to put some soap on the screw before driving it into wood, to make things easier.
I’ve ended my discussion with dblue. For the “similar experiences” it wasn’t about someone thinking my crap was too basic. If you’re really interested in, I guess you can still find the conversations from back then.
I’m telling my point only, because someone said “I don’t get the point…”. So what’s wrong with this? This is actually the most normal thing to happen in a working communication. And it’s not me trying to make this communication NOT work. I’m writing my ass off to communicate. If it was my intention, it’d be way easier for me to flame with a few sentences.
You feel like I’m still trying to belittle you? See, a few weeks ago I was in need to be able to enter decimal places for the BPM settings. I never before needed this and always used to click the arrows to adjust the BPM. So I posted even a feature request for this, and a few minutes later someone replied, this feature is already in for a whole while and you just have to enter the decimals by hand. I felt like a bloody noob too when I read this, but hell… Things like this happen, for you and for me. So what? Stop thinking this is anything against you. Beside from reading you here and there I don’t even know you.
Man, I’m getting really tired of explaining myself for each fart. Something’s def going wrong here.
The easiest thing to do here is to stop explaining yourself. Everybody made their points already and if you guys don’t stop things just get dirty. Why you guys are being so passionate about something what a stranger on some forum says? So here’s another basic tip - don’t give a sh*t.
Just to help out a little bit: I think that maybe 50% of the admins might close this down quickly as a tip, or at least when it becomes flaming, like this… Ok, it’s been posted, but I agree with some that it’s not really a “pro tip” since it’s (at least) one of the presets (‘5ms static’). Hooking up a hydra etc, that’s tips. This, no.
Nothing personal at all. 
Peace! 
Everybody made their points already and if you guys don’t stop things just get dirty. Why you guys are being so passionate about something what a stranger on some forum says? So here’s another basic tip - don’t give a sh*t.