It’s interesting that you seem to think that the only reason that someone would use audio in their song is if they were sampling someone else’s music.
What’s that about?
First off–I’ve had a nasty flu for a week and a half, and if it continues for more than a couple more days I’m going to go to a hospital. I’m angry, I’m bitter, and I have absolutely no idea how the words I’m typing are being interpreted. Yes, I’m sure I should take responsibility for what I’m saying, and I’ll try my best to do that, but after six years of mentioning things that are EXTREMELY important and actually CRUCIAL to me and it gets looked at as being as important as smooth scrolling or even worse, it makes me bitter and angry. It makes me feel like an outsider. It makes me feel very alone. It makes me feel like people think that all I’m trying to do is waste Renoise developers’ time and energy, which could be nothing further from the truth, but it’s hard to convince many people of this.
I’m sorry I’ve offended you. I’m sorry if I’ve offended others with this. But unless one is talking about using the built-in-sampler to sample something live, probably about 85-90% of the time it is true that people generally use samples that someone else has made—sometimes they’ll put so many effects on the samples or cut them up like crazy so you can’t tell what they are anymore.
All around there are some fantastic musicians on this forum that just blow my mind. And then there are others here who make music that I just can’t get into no matter how hard I try and sometimes I can’t even begin to imagine what people see in it. I’m also one of those assholes who think that the over-usage of long unmodified samples from other musicians is somewhat like taking credit for someone’s else’s work. I didn’t make this post to debate that, but I thought it was important to note what my opinion is about it so you can see the closed-minded aspects to me. Yes, I know it’s closed-minded, and it’s very hard for me to open up on that subject–it’s possible, but it’s a tedious process and I don’t wish this thread to be derailed only to talk about that.
splajn:
Yes, it does take more time, a LOT more time.
That would mean that every note I enter that takes place at the same time as other things are taking place, I have to make note of that for starters, and then I have to up-arrow to that line again and play it with the enter key EVERY time I enter a note that something is happening on the same line.
The workflow I’m used to is making the meat and potatoes of a melody (or chords, or a bassline) for a single pattern in less than 1 minute, correcting my errors in a similar way as to when I’m typing (hitting the backspace key as I make errors). My ear can hear an error immediately if I can hear it in conjunction with what has already been entered. If I can’t hear what has been already placed there as I’m entering the notes, I sometimes have to go back and fix errors later. I don’t want to have to do the equivalent to typing of not having the ability to use the backspace key to fix an error and having to wait until a spellchecker points out the errors. When typing, one usually knows immediately if something is wrong, you don’t have to hit the left arrow to SEE whether you’ve made an error–you know it immediately. If I have to spend 5 minutes writing something that would normally take me 30 seconds to write if I had the options, it’s too long of a time to spend.
I’ll quote myself again, since it really seems that I’m not being understood. Imagine there are chords and a bassline already written in a pattern and I’m adding a melody:
Simple, quick, efficient. Again, having to up arrow and hit enter to go back and check for EVERY note I enter while I’m entering the melody is a serious amount of extra work to have to do when a simple option could be added to Renoise to simply take care of that. Not having this option adds a significant amount of time FOR ME to the music making process. My brother is a really good musician, but I’ve never gotten him to even TRY Renoise because of the missing options—6 years I’ve haggled him to try Renoise and he has outright refused because he knows those options aren’t there.
Maybe that makes me (and my brother) a lazy musician, but I LIKE options that make the music-writing process easier, especially since they’ve been options available in many trackers since the 80’s.
Then there is the lack of an effect command for a smooth slide for VST’s and MIDI. With Renoise I have to speed up the song to ridiculous speeds so you can’t hear it clip to different pitches (and of course Renoise has the limit of 512 lines per pattern–so if you speed it up TOO much you’ll have to split the pattern into two or more patterns, OR have a part of the song speed up and then go back to the other speed, having to make note of how many lines there should be in the pattern to make it right), or spend 10 minutes doing things in automation just to make ONE NOTE slide when it should have only been 2 seconds spent typing a simple command. I LIKE sliding notes, it’s something I normally would do a lot of. Take note that none of the songs any of you have heard me do in Renoise use slides because I simply don’t have the patience to go through all of that to do something that should be virtually instant. “Oh but you can JUST do this and this and that and this and achieve the same thing.” Yeah, and one can spend 40 minutes using a manual screwdriver to screw in 20 screws that are 50 centimeters long or the person can put a screwdriver bit on a drill and get it done in less than 5 minutes. I’d like to use the drill, thanks.
For some people, having to spend 15 minutes to an hour getting some slides to work in a single pattern is time well spent.
For some people, having to listen to a pattern 40 times and then writing a melody that they can’t hear how it’s going to actually sound with the music until they’re done entering it and they review it, and then they have to go back and fix it because something was wrong is time well spent.
Not to me. Does that make me unreasonable, lacking patience, etc…? Possibly, but that’s not going to change.
These options wouldn’t be hard to implement into Renoise. MED, a program that’s still stuck in the early 90’s, has these options and I’ve bought MED v2.1 in order to have these options. This post is being made in the hopes that the squeaky wheel gets the oil, but probably all I’m doing is alienating myself from everyone here.
Basically I’m throwing a tantrum. Waaah! Listen to me, I’m angry! WAhhh!
As I’ve already said I can understand your want for it to play all notes on a line when entering information and although I could see myself using it sometimes it’s definitely not something I would want on all the time.
Do any of the trackers so talk about that have the functionality have VST support? If so how do they cope with the sustained note for every single VSTi which has a note on that line that is triggered every time you enter a new note? A short, default (user-configurable?) length such as a single line or single beat may just about solve this.
And I know you are probably being facetious but it’s already been shown how to bring your example above down to half the length and bring operation into the other request you made at the beginning of this thread, namely making the up/down arrow to move by edit step amounts instead of one line.
Sorry can’t help with the pitchbend problem. I would agree that the automation is one of the weakest parts of Renoise but I have still personally not found anything I would rather work with.
Definitely not an option to force people to use–definitely not. Purely an option, not a default behavior. 
MED 2.1 has VST support.
I don’t know if I understand what you’re saying in the second paragraph correctly: It would be the same as if you could play a note while having the functionality of hitting enter at the same time. The note sustain would be exactly the same as when you hit enter–to stop the notes from playing you’d just hit the spacebar like you do now if you’ve hit enter to hear the notes… I don’t know if I’ve addressed your question. 
I very rarely use the Enter option but yeah your right the handling of it would be exactly the same so my second paragraph is moot. I was just wondering aloud (well through my fingers) if maybe this was part of the reason it hadn’t been implemented but obviously not. If I’ve felt the need to use a similar way of working in the past I had been more inclined to use edit step of zero and assign continue playing from current position to a keyboard shortcut, although using Enter probably makes more sense unless you are working through re-edits/fixing little bits that bug you in what already written.
Surely it can’t be that hard a function to impliment and as a hidden option (preferences) it’s not going to affect anybody used to the current way of working.
I do fear that, with Renoise having such a small development team, it may need more people voicing their desire for the option before we see it though. Not that I personally feel I can complain with how far the program has advanced since I’ve been using it though, even if some small but very good sounding suggestions sometimes seem to get left behind. But for a feature that you feel it essential to your comfortable use of a program it would be a shame to see it make you move on.
Thank you very much for your thorough responses. 
Whether it seem so or not, it means a great deal to me.
I don’t know what this is about…can’t work it out. Does it effect macs? 
At the moment, i have no problem with entering melodies, and cannot see any way of making it better. I am a speed typer though and have a very fast work flow…
You have the scroll/standstill whilst playing options. And then for me its ENT to hear one horizontal line, and R-APPLE to continue playing from point. What are you suggesting should change Kizzume? Sorry if i’m misunderstanding, i would just like to contribute to something that could eventually effect me.
He wants an option that when you enter a note all other notes on that line are triggered.
I wouldn’t use this, the sounds ringing would just annoy me. If it was toggle-able though…
That’s what Option generally means 
Yes, an option that makes it so no matter how you scroll through a song, it acts like you’ve hit enter to hear the current line so you always hear the notes on the current line when you hit up arrow, down arrow, delete, and also when you’re entering notes.