Actually I do not really know, if it works like this. It is only an assumption based on observation of how Renoise reacts. Maybe this is nonsense, and the actual input process is separated from the GUI (or should be), since there is no technical reason. Once you are pressing down the rmb on a slider, theoretically listening to mouse movements only would be enough, no matter if visual feedback was delayed or imprecise (seems to be important only for precise reaction). So the actual design of a DAW could be also like: controls input (including midi) into one process, gui into one process, audio generation into one (or multiple) process(es). And then queues in between. I really would love to know how this actually currently works, in Renoise and also in Bitwig.
I agree that the recent influx of complaining posts looks very bad. I admit I’m guilty of replying to them (and this one), but I think it has to stop now.
Renoise is 100% a complete DAW as of 3.1. I wasn’t here for earlier versions, but from what I’ve read previous versions were certainly missing things other DAWs had (autoseek, good filters, etc). I migrated from Logic Pro X into Renoise 3.1 a few months ago and the only feature I miss from it is timestretch. That’s the one thing (besides coding and compatibility stuff I guess) you’re allowed to complain about in my book. But even the timestretch issue has workarounds.
I really hope the hardworking devs don’t take people’s puerile musings on new features Renoise doesn’t need (mine included) and incessant comparisons to Bitwig as actual complaints about it being an inadequate or incomplete DAW. Because it isn’t and anybody who’s actually put in the man hours working this thing knows that.
Maybe instead of whining here about “industry standard” features and a lack of tutorials you should make industry standard music with Renoise and make tutorials. The best feature a DAW can have is a group of people who push it to its limits and the best advertisement a DAW can have is a bunch of people who are absolutely killing it calling it their DAW of choice.
I didn’t mean for this post to sound as harsh as it does but we should really chill with the “Renoise bad” posts.
And as for GUI/bitmap/compatibility fear-mongering posts, I really think that if you have identified something that poses an existential threat to Renoise in the future, taktik and the other devs have probably been on top of it for some time now.
Speculations on the manpower and financial state of Renoise don’t help either, and it only spreads rumors. If they want to do some type of crowdfunding or open source thing I’m sure they will let us know.
This concludes my rant.
You really so far didn’t understand a lot of what I wrote, or did you? Why are you now using the same wordings like “whining”, “100% complete”, do you want to provoke the people? If I was the admin, I would delete your post, too.
FWIW, there’s been bitching [I don’t mean this derogatorily at all, nor do I exclude myself from it] since as long as I can remember, even when there were loads of updates.
I wish Renoise was this giant company pumping out features and tutorials and competitions, but then again, tracking may just be too niche for that, I don’t know. But for what it does, what it costs and considering long licenses last, it’s certainly in my hall of fame for best all around software. I just hope that if it’s ever in any danger of development stopping completely, that taktik would come to us so we can, say, make a kickstarter to make it open source or something like that.
If they have enough resources and time for working on “whatever the community wants”, they’ll make a poll, I bet you. They’ll find a way. They also know that we want to know what’s coming and when, they’ll tell us when they can. I don’t agree with calling it “crying”, but however you want to call it, it doesn’t achieve much. It’s not like they’re twiddling their thumbs, so that enough people saying Renoise could be improved would make them jump up from the chair and slap their forehead, because they forgot about Renoise.
mostly all limitations are caused by lack of time
They’re probably busy with other things, if there was a way to make Renoise such a money machine to entice them to focus more on it, what could that be? The way can’t be “it needs all these features so they have the resources to develop these features”.
I treat the devs as a black box, as private persons, I don’t know what they’re doing and that’s their thing. But what actually matters is that I know what I am not doing. Yes, Renoise could be more than it is, but the Renoise users could also do more than they do, right? And I’m not pointing fingers, I also usually just come here to “see if there is anything new”, not contributing at all. But just think compos (plenty of them, in all shapes and sizes), tutorials and tools… and of course songs. This thing can load a single file, even display a little intro text… even with the demo version… and then there is hardly a limit to how awesome the music could be. Have we used all that to the fullest extent? I would say no.
Honestly, I think there is a fear from deep within, after spending a lot of time using renoise, preparing things, reading the manual over and over and asking countless technical questions on the forum to get more and more knowledge and become an expert, the fear that all trackers dont make past version 3.1…people just want to continue to use renoise into the future. When the next version finally comes people will relax a little, then two years later they might start worrying its the end, that its all over and stuff.
Another thing, I think new users feel like they are getting into something different, unique and technical when they take up renoise so when they come on the forums they want to show how much they know by pointing out little things which they consider to be wrong, to show how much they have learnt and how down with trackers they are…maybe they really are the genius? so technical and like the apple keynote speech, succesful businessman, feature request wizkid, how impressive!
When they get a reply like ‘thats just a fucking dumb feature request, you dont know what you are talking about at all’, its disheartening to them even if ‘its a fucking stupid feature request’ is fucking true…there are arguments that arise because people take things the wrong way, if comments are only in text you cant really communicate your ‘funny sarchasm’ that well. But if you want to argue about tracker I can! - that was a little sarchastic and funny to me - but its only in text and non tonal so people might take it as someone genuinely looking for trouble…but honestly whatever the fuck up in this here…renoise is the greatest, cannot critisize!! and thats really true
also sometimes the noobs who get mocked for not knowing renoise inside out like a strange old man, surrounded by dusty books about rernoise, end up being the greatest of all time…most of the tracker beef is nerdy sarchastic beef, its nothing to worry about
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Personally, i do not understand what all the fuss is about.
Everyday people around here are comparing Renoise with … something else.
So, if you prefer something else - this forum might not be for you.
Renoise is a tracker. Either use it or not.
As long as its never ‘finished’. I never want to see ‘no more updates ever’ kind of situation because its awesome, ive put alot of time into renoise cutting up all those breaks, you dont know how long it takes to build up a huge amount of individual hits, assign them to pads…later on start EQing them, layering them, not to mention putting time into other things as well. Im committed to renoise…I never want to do any of that again in another DAW. It takes long.
If I compare to other DAW it wins every time. Because the price is right…the others I simply cannot afford. They are a rip off, like most VST…remember the days when there were no bullshit subscriptions, all software was like 49.99? Well now people think they can charge 800 or more for a piece of software, then act like a bitch when it gets cracked. But im saying the price is right here so, respect for that…the features are better than other DAWs too, dont need anything else…just hope it keeps going forever…it too good, everything nice.
software has never been so cheap and there has never been so much choice (that annoys me often) as today
Ever seen what logic, soundforge or reaktor cost in the beginning?
in line with this topic
http://www.musicwords.net/musictech/sucks.htm
Amen.
I also do everything in Renoise, though I kinda stick to wav samples and organizing them in folders, so I’m not as “invested” that way. But otherwise, I’m pretty sure without Renoise, I wouldn’t be making music. I mean, I derped around in FastTracker II, but just like I derped around with a digicam and didn’t get “into” photography until I got a DSLR, it wasn’t until Renoise that I managed to make things I genuinely liked.
exactly. hope its just never finished. keep on developing it just for the love of this awesome creation…no rush, just keep doing it. Its like some tapestry or tibetan painting, they can take a whole lifetime to complete. Its great software. just spent the last two years cutting up breaks and still going. Im an old school sampler guy, everything just renoise, not really too much vst, and i think alot of the preprepared sample packs that you hear from ableton and maschine stuff like that sound too over processed…something not right. too glossy, too modern…its not like the dusty, homemade, crunchy imperfect things you can get going if you do all your sampling yourself…sampling from vinyl and VHS, charity shop stuff…thats the real nice sound in my opinion and renoise is the perfect sampler sequencer for me at a cheap price. I probably will be lookng to get a nice vst or two when I finally finsh up these breaks, specifically an 808 like nepheton for layering with individual breaks hits making the perfect drum sound and also some kind of fat bass vst for big basslines to go with those nice crispy drums. cutting up these breaks is hardcore…but have to get through it… the 200 breaks download here on the forums was the greatest gift ever. someone recently posted 101s breaks and Declassified breaks as well…cant wait to get em all chopped… im on a mission…so hope renoise will never falter nor fade and keep on. its one of the best no need to stop…i tried ableton…not feeling all that double clicking in the pianoroll…honestly renoise is better. hate it when people assume renoise or all trackers are something they can program themselves in a fortnite…that kind of arrogant attitude like “hey, i read something about an algorithm once, now im a programmer too, let me advise you on your 20 years of hardcore programming in C languages, by the way, whats a sampler?”
@Garrett_Wang 'm with 'ya on that. I’m trying to go one step further in Renoise’s usage and using Renoise to generate all it’s own samples. And it CAN! All of my sounds are primarily made in Renoise, unless it’s not possible just can’t do it (FM/PM - not static waveforms). So, I’m hoping that we gain those few extra synthesis bits to just be able to do it all.
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Simplified FM as a modulation source, because we’ve already got AM and Ringmod. FM synthesis would be nice, but with a gentle touch, an FM modulator could give a wide variety of typical FM sounds to a sample. Another effect that would be fun is hyper-speed vibrato, just to have that really odd bzzzzz sound for fun! Great for droning pitches.
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Real-time timestretch, because it’s awesome. I’d like to have two forms: one utilizing the simplified Paulstretch found in Audacity for ambient sound-beds (I use the Rubberband method for this currently), and the other closer in style to (or exactly as) dblue’s Glitch 2 - something we could input into the pattern sequencer. ??xy - x for amount of stretch, and y for length, in case you wanted to do a super stretch for a 16th note only. Using timestretch on field recordings is just awesome. To have it adjustable via modulation sources…holy cow.
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Granular, because it’s so useful for all sorts of things. Maybe something similar to The Mangle, because it does short and long grain processing. I was PM’ing @danoise about a simplified version for micro-looping. There would be three things to modulate. Sample length, sample start time, and sample end time - much like that video I placed on the forum earlier of the Ultomaton: Figured out how to make a Sample Length for the Micro-Looper The Ultomaton has a small micro-looper that just does a very basic granular technique of random start/end/length. A small micro-looper for making various glitches and what not would be really fun! Yeah, we can kinda/sorta do it using the phrase sequencer, but something totally free from pattern control, and more work done with the LFO would be neat-o! Another sound-bed generator.
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Finally, spectral - it sounds great and can make a bunch of really nice sounds.
All in Renoise to keep the processing down. We can do so much with this program already, just a few more modulation styles and we’d be a sound-design playground - more complete that it already is. Whatever, I love Renoise, so nyah!
“hey, i read something about an algorithm once, now im a programmer too, let me advise you on your 20 years of hardcore programming in C languages, by the way, whats a sampler?”
I love how every topic gets someone to post what he would like to see in renoise, regardless of topic.
- it’s not that i don’t agree with those requests, they are awesome, it’s just flooded with requests…
There are only two kind of forum threads, and they are closely related. 1) Speculation threads, 2) feature requests. I consider this to be a thread of feature requests.
Relevant list:
- RAS
- A spectral matrix unit with automatable and interconnectable modulation for inter-adjustable hyper-overtones in the sample DSP mixer. As per my knowledge of OOP, this would only take approximately 1 hour and 25 minutes to implement. cmon devs???
- Multimedia
You’re right! 
I love to make requests!
the sooner you switch to bitwig …the better youre life is going to be
just buy redux before making the switch
is that a joke or?
Nah, used Bitwig for a while, actually own the 8-track version as well. They added modular, though! Just doesn’t feel right to me. Neither does Reason anymore, and I used that for something like 17 years. Oh well. Now that I’ve gotten hooked in Renoise, I’m pretty happy. It’s got that Max/MSP sound that I love so much (dry/crisp/clear) and it’s such a stable, easy-to-use midway point between coding and sequencing. With the addition of those few different types of synthesis to Renoise as native plugins… I’d be even more happy with it than I already am!
im joking hahaha np with renoise 
but i do feel the topic of the thread there was a time in 2017 when i got my license and this place was something entirely different very positive nice feedback and everyone seemed more interested in talk about actual music production that request for features etc !!
also we managed to pull together a competition at some point that was super nice !!!
some of you may even think why do this dude keeps posting music here and shit if he doesn’t use renoise anymore
and to me its really simple i have good friends here !! also other forums suck big time