cheers! 
The sample loading is way too fast. I have no time thinking about what I’m going to do with the sample that’s loading, it’s just there. 
Thank you so fucking much dev team!!! Tracks groups & the external editor were by far my 2 most wanted features!
The which?
I’m sure he means this external editor:
ahh, but of course
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Late-night post FTW! I meant the LFO/env external editor
man… i’'m just gonna keep repeating this till they ban me from here or implement it allready…
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give the automation lane the same external editor functionality… working in such a small bar for automation edits is such a frigging pain in my huge ass 
Lay off already.
D’you honestly think that they think things half-way and it was just a mistake that not everything is detachable as of 2.8?
We’ll get detachable automation and expanded automation editors when the devteam are ready with it, and when it works according to their fairly strict specs for stability and quality control.
Also, did you notice that 2.8 introduced the resizable instrument box? And that it resulted, during 2.8Beta testing, in replicable crashes which got fixed for Beta#3. Instead of them introducing something like 8-10 detachable views which all start crashing and messing up everything, it makes so much more sense to just give us expandable instrument envelopes for now.
Repeated demands for detachable maximized automation envelope editor are about as boring reading as demands for pianorolls. Maybe even more boring.
I agree with endonyx. More detachable windows! 
Anyway the new release is awesome. Let’s hope for a pianoroll in the next one.
When you compose a music you need to go fast between lots of differents elements and lots of aspects of the music, (i.e. effects, commands, notes, parameters, envelopes, scopes, samples…), you need to see lots of different informations alltogether, and a soundtracker like renoise is an “efficient” tool, because you’ll find more “panels/frames” and less “floating windows”. Generally the panel/frames strategy made the success of trackers, remember the fasttracker 2 interface for example. Everyone understands that floating windows finally “hide” lots of other informations that you sometimes have to keep in sight, during the creation process. I don’t really complain about deatachable envelopes editor especially because I was bored to f…ck flies through the previous little fixed size window. However it’s very important to be able to re-attach everything to a wisely selected panel/frame area.
And if you want my opinion on this point, I’d simply like renoise to be able to display lots of things in the middle frame area (that is the largest area available). You could for example cycle the view, between several tabs, like | pattern editor | mixer | sample editor | sample keyzones | instruments envelopes | track automation. The instrument selector (in the top right zone) could simply be moved into the left side of the instruments settings section. And when you select the | track automation | tab it hides the pattern matrix view, it displays just one track (the one you want to automate), and on the right side of this displayed track you see the automated parameters and the big sized automation envelope… You see, this kind of screen organisation could be cool, and no need to create lots of “floating windows”…
Detachability is good because it’s optional and very helpful to people with lots of screen room or dual monitors.
Regarding dockability there is still no DAW that has pulled it off really good - cakewalk miserably failing at its recent attempt. It’s usually about a couple of dockable regions or just a detachable mixer. On most parts Renoise already has a great layout (except for some quirks like the very small lower frame with horizontal dsp chain etc), but I agree that adding more granular views like the one Kurtz suggested is a great idea. For the sake of dev time I suspect it’s most sensible to keep the GUI fairly fixed, but with detachable elements when appropriate. I like the road Renoise seems to be on.
cycling between middle frames can be created with a script… and the hiding of pattern matrix when track automation is on, can also be scripted.
i’ve got a keycommand which shows the mixer. when i press the keycommand again, it shows the pattern matrix. press the keycommand again, pattern matrix is hidden.
i do think most of these kinds of things could be native, but who would decide on the best way to do it, probably no-one since everyone has a different workflow.
True words!
One of the things with Renoise I like the most is the clean and well structured interface.
for me, floating windows will only distract me too much. i’ll prefer keep everything in the same interface, but with the ability to select where and how big i want to see those areas of interest…
yup. i hope the 2.8 api will be updated with controls for the expanded envelope editors 
esaruoho >
hehe dont be bottered by the tone of my prior message, was a bit frustrated after working a couple of hours on a track with a lot of automation involving filters & distorsion where the edits needed to be very small curves…
my last post was ment with a BIG wink alltogether but maybe got lost in the translation to my keyboard 
by the way i am not all about the floating window… that really is not what i am on about, but something like the “more” button in the dsp-list or the “explorer-window” so it folds open would be equally effective for me. i mostly love the workflow of renoise, just dont like to code automation that’s all
I guess i`m ready 100% to buy 3.0
THIS IS A BOMB
NO UPDATE HERE MAKES ME SAD, ALL HAPPY.
BRILLIANT JOB DEVS. SIMPLY BRILLIANT.
Track groups inside another track group? Really?
Now I can ditch ableton live.
Only detachable window that makes really makes sense IMHO is the mixer view for dual screen display. On the other hand, the automation window is indeed too small and uncomfortable. As a person who uses lots of automations I would love to be able to modify this. But I doubt there is anything we can do in this version.