I know that the voting has occured and that this did not come out as a top priority feature:
Thinking about this more and more though I can see that many workarounds for other wanted features could be made if it were to happen. I am thinking in terms of renoise as a VSTi in energyXT but I`m sure other hosts could provide similar and maybe other options too.
- Audio recording set to run along-side renoise in eXT sequencer
Full modular environment for renoise to be embedded in making things such as side chaining very easy with this setup
Piano roll that can be used side by side with renoise embedded in XT sequencer. Admittedly possible already with XT as a VST in renoise but another flexible way to do this.
PDC as XT now supports this. Using renoise for MIDI sequencing inside XT and dealing with your plugs inside XT. Not possible currently with XT inside renoise as delays between XT instances can not be accounted for.
Freezing of a whole instance of renoise in a track in XT, so you could have one instance of renoise for drums another for leads etc and another for backing if you wished. Simply freeze the renoise VSTi you wish and work in the other instance with the freed up CPU.
Use a mixer VSTi in eXT from routed audio from renoise VSTi
Load multiple rns`s into one project. This would be possible also loading instances of renoise VSTi inside renoise stand-alone. You can then swap parts of songs between each other. Trigger a whole renoise instance from within renoise in one track opening up more possible arrangement options.
For this to be possible as a VSTi renoise would need to be syncable to host and possibly support multi audio outs.
A bit late for a voting campaign maybe but thought it was interesting the possibilities this would open up. Im sure there may be more that I havent thought about but these have been the main ones that have come to mind as I dream…
Now multiple .rns’s and shared clipboards is something I would like to see. Haven’t tried opening two accounts of Renoise, which, if possible, with the hopeful addition of windows clipboard support in the future, might just about cover this?? But if using the windows clipboard how does it know if it’s a selection, track, pattern etc. Also can you copy a whole track throughout a song, or do you have to do it pattern at a time? (Guess you can with the advanced edit options but not at home to really think about it or look.)
This would also be interesting to me but I do not know much about rewire. Also eXT which is my only other host program at the moment does not support this and will not in the near future as far as I can tell although if it would allow me to do many of the things above I would consider a rewire host purchase.
Two of the main features I have been interested in are non real-time Freezing and PDC.
Should the first be possible with rewire and if so would you still be able to deal with your VSTs inside renoise or would it have to be the other host?
Non realtime freezing just means not having to record, i.e. same as rendering
With PDC you are right that you would need to deal with the VSTs in the host renoise was in, unless you wanted a separate renoise VST for each track you had (pretty impractical unless you only needed it for one plug like SIR and weren`t bothered about small latencies other plugs introduced) Here it seems neither method offers more real advantage then I guess.
You can load any synth VSTi’s into Energy XT whilst running in Renoise giving you access to all the fx in the Energy XT plug anyway, so I can’t really see the point of loading Renoise as a VSTi into Energy XT…
You can also transfer tracks from diffrent songs as the blocks are remembered even when you load another song…
I believe that the keycommands should be possible as normal with the VST aswell, if renoise as a VST was to have focus. I guess this might be host dependent though. EnergyXT has a bug currently with this at the moment of not letting key commands through in some cases. I have reported this though and I think it will be fixed at some time.
Hey Freideuter, what you done to AMK
I guess as renoise sends timing info alright to VSTs then it could receive it ok with the current system although Im no VST coder so couldnt say for sure…
I think that the pro sequencers such as Cubase might have some sort of blocking for certain keycommands for VSTi’s. <- not sure about this, but I just have this feeling. Anyhow, another problem would be the play button. I’ve never seen a vsti that’s able to send a play or stop message for the host sequencer -> therefor I’d say re-wire would serve us all better.
Anyone know any vst that has been able to send this play/stop message?