Only a standard of quality… Anyone can post a youtube vid… Ill go find a live certified trainer vid before anything else, only because I know its proven quality… I may even buy it…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect#Lock-in
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect#Negative_network_effects
I must ask the relevance to the topic… This is about community and publicity mostly. Not M$ standards, but the standards of our dev’s… I would hate to put them in the same group…
yeah, me too
gmm04e, I was talking some bullshit before, nevermind. Just got you wroing. Damn, I forgot about M$ standing for Microsoft shit. 
Then I get your point. In fact I never understood this certification bureaucracy paperwork. Like you said lock-in in example of M$ is a bad thing. But still spreading the word about Renoise, at the current state can benefit all the community.
In fact the lock-in really sucks. Well M$ is close here with Adobe. Adobe for content producers, is even a closer example.
Sad, Ableton is learning quickly, too. Marketing in full-force.
If only Ableton would learn to update their software.
Nowadays marketing teams make software, not engineers, don’t you know?
Throw in some sample packs and plugs and you are good for a few years:)
i’d rather prefer to see “Renoise Certified Users”
you have to go to berlin first
then taktik & co will test your skills to see if you can handle the tracker properly
if so, you get a nice Diploma to show your mom and friends
also you receive a new forum status “Certified Skilled Renoise User” (CSRU)
…and then you might get a full version license. Failing users have to stay with the demo. 
The day renoise goes to corporate bullshit crap like “certified trainers” I’m outta here… what do you need this stuff for? for learning? this is what forums and tutorials are for: to watch and learn. spend some time with the software.
I sell “Renoise Certified Trainer” certificates.
500 Euro each.
PM Me. Wait, don’t.
On a more serious note, here’s something I wrote (slightly edited for the purposes of this thread) in the secret chambers back in January 2011:
This never happened because I have no free time. But, that was the idea.
Exactly my point… I am a trainer at heart and would like to get more people interested in Renoise. I don’t see how people are flying off the wall here talking about corporate bullsh!t… It’s like every time there is a post on this board someone is right there to say how bad the idea is and poke at the flaws… Be more positive guys… Maybe the community would grow more if you were.
Now I almost feel sorry I posted this… almost feel sorry for trying to expand the community and get new people into enjoying Renoise. Some people here disgust me. Its about the music and the willingness of some people to extend their knowledge. If you aren’t interested in teaching or learning, stay the hell out of this thread… And you have a VERY hard long life ahead of you…
Edit: I was hoping to see what the Renoise team thinks… I would be more than happy to capitalize on the situation. But then again I would more like to see Renoise representatives in different areas. I’m not looking at this as a corporate move, everyone still keeps all their freedoms… Just an example: I live in Windsor, Ontario, Canada. There is a MASSIVE EDM scene between us and Detroit… Yet, we will never have the opportunity to go to a Renoise conference… then again, most people don’t know what it is because there is no marketing here. That can easily be changed…
I dont mean certified as in a certificate, I mean a slight nod from the Renoise team and maybe a list on the site. If people are more interested in keeping Renoise in the unknown I understand. But the more users, the more monetary support to the Renoise team. The price point already makes people think automatically it’s a small project first impression before buying. If there was a large eneugh supporting base behind it, people would realize exactly how powerful and large of a project Renoise is…
I am on the Renoise Team…
The “secret chambers” are the Renoise Team discussion areas.
Just saying.
@see: Say It, Don't Spray It.
The “corporate bullshit” was about being “certified”. What for? I don’t understand this and it makes me think about corporations and their marketing policies. If you think you know renoise enough to teach other people then do it if you like. I’m not against learning and workshops. My previous post was harsh, I admit and I’m sorry for making you feel bad.
I should reword it… maybe “Local Recognized Representatives”… Its one thing to try and start a workshop as an independent person, but having the backing of the Team involved shows it is a legitimate workshop with someone who knows what they are doing. I bet if I were to try and start a workshop, rent the space at the local college, I would have very few people show up compared to it being a legitimate, recognized event from the Renoise community.
Ok, I understand now. I think the word “patronage” better describes your idea. Sorry for my previous reaction.
My thoughts on this matter:
There’s quite a few of us here who know aspects Renoise very deeply. If you hang out here long enough it should be obvious who those people are. Of that group quite a number of them can articulate themselves well enough to shed light on expert matters of Renoise use. And there is more than enough info out there on the basics. I see it up to the community members to step up whenever they feel appropriate in their own way to share the good knowledge. This is already happening.
Play and engagement are the ways forward for users wanting to learn. Play and engagement with the software and the community. Get involved. The action is here.
Sounds much like the way I thought things would go… Maybe I will make some content and hopefully it will end up on In Depth… or I may do something else. Maybe with further development there will we a larger user-base in the future. I know the community within this site are quite active and are quick to help anyone, its a definite plus over the larger scale competing products. Look out for some new stuff from me soon