Hello, what sample rate do you use? as default I think mine was set to 96, I set it to 44 to try if I could hear any differens, I think a get e little more clear high frequencies with 96. I read somwhere that 88 was better because its the half of 44,1, if your going to but it no audio cd that is… I think this sample rate is a little confusing, remember reading that most plug-ins dont support higher sample-rates than 44. What are the true benefit from working in high samplerates when you music ends up as mp3 or no a cd ? thnax
Ok, cool, so 96 it is, what do you use ? do you use dithering when converting from 88 24 bit to 44,1 16 bit ?
I strongly recommend doing everything in 32bit 44,100hz. If you ever seriously get into mastering you’ll be thankful for it. Until CD-audio is ditched as an industry standard you can forget anything higher. Possibly 88,200hz if your card and plugs support it.
Why? Resampling is messy, and looses the quality of what you intended in the first place. It is entirely possible to get a beautiful sounding mix at 44.1k.
ok, where do one select 32 bit, there is no such option on my RME Multiface, and I cant seem to find it in renoise either…thanx…
renoise does already work with 32bit files, and automatically converts 16 bits files to 32 bits, so you don’t have to set anything in it
“Renoise does already work with 32bit files, and automatically converts 16 bits files to 32 bits, so you don’t have to set anything in it”, Nice, thanx
" I strongly recommend doing everything in 32bit 44,100hz. If you ever seriously get into mastering you’ll be thankful for it "
would it not be the same, or better if I made my music in 96, and when it was time for marstering I just made it into a 44,1 file?, on my set up there is a big diferent between 44,1 and 96 file…
the advice of using 88Khz (if available) is due to the fact that resampling from 88 to 44 is much more error-free because 88/44 = 2, an integer number.
using 96khz can indeed increase quality when mixing a lot of tracks, but beware: some VST instruments have fuzzy behavior when running at frequencies other than 44khz.
the whole ASIO concept has been designed to work faster (= less latency) at higher rates, at expense of a quite huge raise in CPU power requirement
From the above discussion I wondered.
Would my mix and master benefit of doing things entirely in 32 bit / 44khz?
I mix in renoise on either 32 bit / 44khz or 48khz depending if system resources can keep up with the project on 48khz.
While this can just be my imagination, I find both rendering the mix from Renoise and mastering it in 32 bit / 48khz much prettier. I am however resampeling to 16 bit / 44khz with dithering in the end, right before doing mp3 encoding, as that seems to be better with that lame codec thingy I use.
Think 48khz master is worth it or am I actually making things worse? Any comments on this would be very appreciated.
Well, I would say it depends on what you’re trying to squeeze out of the mix (e.g. with the ultra highs). I would also argue that there are too many poorly mixed ultra highs in electronic music, full stop. I hope you’re not addicted to the sizzle, so to speak.
Yes 48k will sound nicer, more clear up the top, and generally more ‘live’ sounding (by a small factor mind you). But as It-Alien explained the odd convert from 48 to 44 will mostly damage the smoothness of your highs. If you can’t hear this maybe you need better monitoring.
44.1khz is shit as a CD standard. Should have been 48k all along, thus being more harmonic with machine standard processing integers. Ah but you can’t change it. So if CD is your aimed release format I strongly recommend 44.1khz right through, from record, mix and master. In the meantime we can only sit back and wait to see if this stupid industry sorts itself out, or blows itself up.
However, if you know you’re only ever going to release on mp3, fine, go with 48k or it’s multiples.
Allright, thanks for the comment.
I’m going to experiment a little more I suppose
I’m waiting for the day we have at least 10 times more samplerate then now. Yes it does indeed make a huge difference on heavy processed sounds (like most types of vsti’s etc). Aliasing is the #1 enemy that would not exist with ‘unlimited’ samplerate, another one is filters and compressors. The more samplerate the more analog it sounds. So indeed you should go for the highest possible.
You can very easily test this yourself using a heavily pitched waveform in renoise with a quickly changing instrument filter. Try render it using sinc interpolation in 44,1khz and then in 96khz. It’s a really huge difference.
For more standard stuff, like recorded sounds not so heavily processed, then 44.1 do just fine.
Why does Renoise not allow me to set 88.2khz samplerate despite I can set it in EWX24/96 control panel? Is this soundcard-dependant?
Sorry to say buddy,
but I had to sell my EWX24.96 cause it’s not working properly with renoise. ASIO is f****ed up and some other issues.
A friend of mine also has the ewx24, same problems.
problem is that using 96khz doubles the used CPU … something I can’t do with my old AMD. Gosh, I need a new PC.
I have no other complaints so far despite this (which really is not serious at all) and lack of multimode drivers. This is something I still constantly run into, and really would like to get arid. ASIO works perfect otherwise.