Maybe so?
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Thanks. It looks way better to me - pool tiles vibe ;). Lifeās all about the little things 
Iāve uploaded another test build. You can enabled it via options. ā0.5ā is a good value for this āeffectā.
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As I said before , I donāt really care about pianorolls but why are (some) people still moaning about renoise not having a piano roll ?
This tool is as good as it gets and really shows the power of clever lua scripting
Amazing job , canāt say it enough .
Bravo !
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Letās get a gang together and hit up the Ableton forum about why they donāt have a tracker. 
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Brilliant work 
. Just a little annoying poke to implement grid zoom to the piano rollā¦ Pretty please.
Love you 
There is nothing wrong with composing music with pianoroll. Itās like writing a book using onscreen keyboard - is possible, terribly slow, unefficient, but possible. 
All those who love piano roll so much should understand that itās not some superior notation system, itās basically easiest way for programmer to handle multiple keys without any complex processing - and that is why it was made for. But writing music that way is kind of funny. Imagine that real musicians switch from classic notes to pianoroll - to play a song using that notation system, they will need large, thick volumes full of lines! Itās nonsense. Of course tracker have no classic notes, but AT LEAST it have some notes (C-3, D#4 etc).
If someone needs simple notation in the form of horizontal lines, let them use it. But letās not call it something better ā just as coloring books for children are not the same as artistic painting.
Iāve got Simple Pianoroll installed for a reason. The ability to visualize complex melodies and harmonies is nice sometimes. But Iām glad itās a separate thing that stays out of the way.
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Yeah, Iām a 16 year exclusive Renoise user. Piano roll is just a handy way of looking at and writing melodies, and is a handy tool to have in conjunction with the Renoise tracker workflow. Seems to me like a lot of tracker users aversion to piano roll is a philosophical one. Iām a musician not a philosopher. Simple Piano Roll rules!
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Thatās the whole point , why is displaying complex melodies -chord progressions better on a pianoroll ?
Is it because you see the intervals , and all of a sudden you realise that youābe better used a suspended instead of an add . chord etcā¦?
I donāt get it
I wouldnāt say itās ābetterā. I just find it helpful seeing the physical contour of the music sometimes. Mind you, Iām not a heavy piano roll user, so Iām probably not the one to sell you on them.
The way my brain works yeah, its nice to see the intervals and the space between them. My brain cant quite keep track of where notes are sitting when theyāre just represented by the note name and octave inside a cell.
Both ways of writing melodies actually lend themselves to different ways of thinking, and both are useful to me actually. But if I really really want to get melodic it helps me a lot to see it in a piano roll.
There is one thing that I would really like but not even sure if itās possible , since renoise wonāt even allow it.
That is : recording while in mixer view
Had a dig into the old version manual today even though stuff is deprecated/ changed was well worth it, didnāt realise you could set the loops and shift them around on the timeline. Lots of nice features and shortcuts to make things smoother in there!
On my travels found another couple of things to mention (latest test build):
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Changing cursor mode via shortcut works great now, but if you use Alt to temporarily change from āselect to penā or ctrl to go from āpen to selectā you still need to move the mouse before icon changes. Also some behaviour in the ctrl > āpen to selectā where the cursor gets stuck on select briefly.
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NM I just found you fixed the loop button state syncing in this build -
Trying to set a loop in the timeline is like dragging edges through treacle, You have to move the mouse a long distance to update the selection. You can if you keep ctrl pressed in release the LMB and go and click the end of your loop selection but I guess the dragging behavior is broken.
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Prob a design choice and not a bug, but the Alt + mousewheel is scroll up to decrease volume on selected notes and down to increase - feels back to front?
Still appreciating your work toimp!
EDIT:
- Also ran into a bug which froze the whole tool when chopping and moving notes, here is the error, Iāll see if I can make steps to reproduce at some point:
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āC:\Users\octav\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.5.1\Scripts\Tools\com.duftetools.SimplePianoroll.xrnx\main.luaā failed in one of its notifiers.
Please contact the author (dufte (toimp)) for assistanceā¦
main.lua:1181: table index is nil
stack traceback:
main.lua:1181: in function āupdateNoteSelectionā
main.lua:3299: in function āpianoGridClickā
main.lua:7373: in function main.lua:6966
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Did you maybe find a way to reproduce it directly?
Not that one yet but have reliably reproduced this
I was using RMB scroll on the panning value box, for a selected note and got something like āR1ā in the panning value in the pattern ed.
anyway if you input R1 in the pattern editor on a note in renoise manually, you can stop the tool opening with this error:
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'C:\Users\octav\AppData\Roaming\Renoise\V3.5.1\Scripts\Tools\com.duftetools.SimplePianoroll.xrnx' failed to execute in one of its key binding functions.
Please contact the author (dufte (toimp)) for assistanceā¦
main.lua:3645: attempt to index a nil value
stack traceback:
main.lua:3645: in function ādrawNotesToGridā
main.lua:4687: in function āfillPianoRollā
main.lua:10266: in function āmain_functionā
main.lua:10460: in function main.lua:10453
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Iāve fixed the retrigger FX error. Iāll check your other reports later.
If youāre able to reproduce the other issue, that would be great. It definitely looks odd that a table error occurred there.
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Donāt know if itās easy to implement ,but it would be great if we could enter the velocity while entering a note , dragging up-down perhaps ?
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Once youāve drawn a note, itās automatically selected. You can then adjust the velocity using ALT + scroll wheel (or Option + scroll wheel on Mac). Right now the scroll direction is inverted though, gotta fix that.
Edit: Fixed inverted scroll wheel for velocity change. @Ledger
Could be a nice option on top of the Alt scroll wheel behavior! Maybe holding Alt while entering note or before mouse release enters the note could do it. That way when you donāt want the velocity setting with its linked preview, just click away as normal.
Nice! thanks