I see. Any chance they can/will implement it into Renoise directly?
If not, is there a place where I could have it custom made?
If not, where can I learn to make a Tool myself? (Been waiting and hoping for far too long now.)
Hi, Im learning about tuning and scala. Do you know hot to change the base frequency in scala?
I go to freq, change the number and save. But when I reload it, the frequency is the same as before 261.6
I need to learn this! : )
Could you give a few more details about what you’re trying to do here? When you say “I go to freq, change the number and save.” what exactly are you referring to? Which file are you editing?
Anyway, the strange thing is that I’ve never actually used Scala to generate any tunings myself, so I’m not familiar at all with how the program works or how you would configure it. I just based my code above on the .scl file format and then used a few .scl files to test it.
Oh, I thought you were a scala user. In scala theres a option to change the “base frequency”, by default 261 hz. But this thing doesn’t change the file, when you close it, the original freq remains.
I want to change the base frequency.
Besides that, I have another problem. Im using scala files in tobybear microtuner for sending this info to the instruments (vsts), but testing it with a tuner, I saw that the freqs are bad (in scala you can see the intervals AND the freqs of all notes). I think this is a problem of the microtuner.
Yes there is. one of the reasons I want to be able to route a VSTs MIDI output around inside Renoise…
Thats what tobybear´s microtuner does, alternate tuning with pitch bends. For a lot of reasons is very useful to route midi outs (and ins)
Was hoping to see an load .scl/.tun file implementation this update, in the new instrument settings / sample tab, right underneath the sync and t button there still is room left 
. Have faith it will happen eventually.
I’ve been waiting for real microtuning options in Renoise literally for years now… The Finetune option in renoise is just sad…
I’m currently looking elsewhere for an other solution. Hopefully they implement it soon!!!
i guess it’s quite a bit of work to really do full blown support for microtonal tunings. must be some way to select a symbol to represent each newly defined note and a way to handle number of notes per octave etc.
would be awesome though if done properly! (=
I’m already happy if Dblue’s code is made useful in some scripts. Being able to automatically convert a multi sample instrument tuning according to a .scl/.tun file doesn’t need symbolic representation or other visual candy to be useful imo, just auto transform the transpose & fine-tuning values, somewhat like that little t button does now next to sync but for all samples respectively.
yes, not trying to take anything away from him here ofc! (=
i’m just excited at the prospect of renoise going microtonal! alphanumeric representation of notes is perfect for handling non-standard tunings in contrast with having a pianoroll type of representation.
Thats very true!
The problem is if we want to control it via MIDI, in that case we have 128 notes (nothing bad)
The only “universal” way to address notes I can really think of is by frequency, but since that’s completely impractical and unmusical, addressing notes by alphanumeric name works.
Somewhat less on-topic:
As my current soundtrack is partially microtonal, I’ve been thinking more and more about starting a centralized feature-request / brainstorm forum thread for making tuning easier in Renoise… Without requesting full-blown microtonality support in Renoise, here are two relatively small features which I think would help us out greatly:
- The ability to share a sample among an instrument’s sample slots. Right now I have to have 19 unique copies of the same sample in my instrument in order to achieve 19-TET.
- Express finetuning as cents from 1 to 100. None of this 1 to 128 crap. Nobody calculates tuning like that.
Not to diverge from your topic, dblue. I’ve thought about using your script in a tool to create a retuned instrument, but there are many barriers.
I don’t know if any of this makes sense or is in the right thread. I’m pretty spaced out right now.
You can put slice markers on top of each other at the exact same spot in the sample editor, thought this would maybe enable triggering the same sample on different keys at different tunings, but that doesn’t seem to work, or I;m doing something wrong?
makes sense +1
(Old thread resuscitation)
Huh, that’s a clever idea, I hadn’t thought of that. But yeah, looks like it won’t work because when you try to put a slice on top of another slice, it just comes out blank.
By the way, I started a thread on tuning features for Renoise, complete with mockups. I want to get serious about a practical solution. If you have any ideas or are just curious you should drop by:
If any of the ideas there become reality, I’ll probably be using dblue’s Lua snippet for a retuning script. And then it will be Christmas every day.
Does work, just make sure you enable it to play after the end of the slice rather than being limited to within the boundaries. Button just to the right of the percentage dropdown for the auto-slicer.
bump. Renoise features ready for expansion on this idea.
cool!!!
Actually, please make it possible to fine tune to a hundreth (or at least tenth) of a cent so it’s possible to work with the beat that’s created between frequencies that are really close to each other.
This reminds me I should point out that I made a tool that makes use of dblue’s .scl import script, get it here: http://www.renoise.com/tools/scl-to-xrni
Works in v3 but will need auto upgrading, I will properly update it eventually but I’m hoping there will be proper sample aliases before v3 goes final (fingers crossed)