in b6 - Sampler > NNA -> Cut when “on-shot” is ignored - old notes continue
Works fine here. One-shot mode should not interfere with the NNA settings.
Could you upload a little demonstration of the problem?
While making an example, i’ve noticed that it indeed works as expected in song mode.
The ‘cut’ is ignored when hitting notes on my master keyboard (mpk mini)
i’ve added a small example
playing the song works as expected
but hitting the notes on midi/computer keyboard doesn’t cut
but hitting the notes on midi/computer keyboard doesn’t cut
Ah, you mean note-off/release then.
No, the one-shot mode is meant to ignore note-offs - that’s the whole purpose of it.This is what the tooltip says:
When enabled, note-off messages are ignored
Think about playing e.g. a drum kit. For a more natural sound, you’d want these sounds to play at their full length, as you can’t “release” a drum stick.
Yes for some reason NNAs are only applied in the sequencer. This should be mentioned somewhere more prominent.
Yes for some reason NNAs are only applied in the sequencer. This should be mentioned somewhere more prominent.
Not true. NNA also applies to realtime played notes when you release a note and the sound is in its release stage. So, for instance you might have made a massive synth lead? Here you would want the NNA to ‘cut’, because such a sound should utilize as few voices as possible to avoid flooding the mix. Try hitting the same key over and over - NNA definitely makes a difference here.
I would say that unless retaining the full release stage is somehow really important, NNA = cut is good practice - you neither loose the ‘standalone’ release stage or the ability to play chords. Yet the result can be less muddy sounding than with ‘note-off’
Then I don’t understand the point the OP was making, sorry. I understood that NNA in combination with one shot worked differently when played live compared to when sequenced.
I actually just tested this again, and even if this is apparently not what the OP was reporting, what I was mentioning is also happening:
NNA in combination with one shot worked differently when played live compared to when sequenced!
To be more precise, NNA does NOT cut when playing one-shot samples live (but it is, when sequenced).
Shall I open another thread with this bug report, or is it okay to leave it only in here?
NNA in combination with one shot worked differently when played live compared to when sequenced!
Yes, that’s true. When playing live, how would you trigger the same sound in the same track without first releasing the key that triggered the sound? And since one-shot basically ignores the release, it will sound differently.
NNA applies, though, in the ways described. You basically can’t “hard cut” a sound which is triggered live with one-shot mode. This would perhaps be similar to a drummer who plays the kit in a loose way but then reach out to mute the cymbal with the hand?
This sort of thing could be achieved with a special MIDI or macro mapping, but not by standard means.
Yes, that’s true. When playing live, how would you trigger the same sound in the same track without first releasing the key that triggered the sound? And since one-shot basically ignores the release, it will sound differently.
NNA will applies, though, in the ways described. You basically can’t “hard cut” a sound which is triggered live with one-shot mode. This would perhaps be similar to a drummer who plays the kit in a loose way but then reach out to mute the cymbal with the hand?
This sort of thing could be achieved with a special MIDI or macro mapping, but not by standard means.
I am not sure I understand your argument. NNA mean “Next Note Action”, right? It determines what happens with a note, once the next note is played. If this is set to cut, it means that the next note will cut the first one. Correct so far? Without one shot mode, this cut is achieved by basically a note off of the first note. Still correct? With one shote mode, note off obviously does not work to cut off, since one shot mode will ignore note offs. Since it still cuts when sequenced, I assume you use another method than note off to actually cut the note, right? If note offs apparently do not play a role here for cutting of the note, why are notes not cut off when triggered live? Yes, it is true that I will first release the key before pressing it again, and hence issue a note off of the first note by doing this. But I thought the whole point during one shot mode is that note offs have nothing to do with it? The note off is not the reason why it cuts when sequenced, so why does this note off matter when triggered live?
Since it still cuts when sequenced, I assume you use another method than note off to actually cut the note
No, while in one-shot mode,sequencing will also ignore note-offs. The only way to stop a sound is to trigger a new sound in the same track (via manual editing). And then, NNA applies as always.
Granted, it’s a little confusing that NNA option is called “Note-Off” and the one-shot tooltip states that “Note-Off Messages are ignored” when the release stage is still applied to notes that are affected by NNA with this option selected. But here, there strictly speaking isn’t a_message_ to speak of, the note-off event is implied…
No, sequencing will also ignore note-offs. The only way to stop a sound which is playing via one-shot mode is to trigger a new sound in the same track (via manual editing). And then, NNA applies as always.
Yes, but why only via manual editing? This is exactly the question 
And I also argued, that it is not about note offs at all. But you said before that when playing live it cannot work because of releasing the key before hitting it again, so I assumed the note off is the problem in that case.
So, if it isn’t, what exactly is the difference between playing live and sequencing, and why can the one not work like the other? I still don’t get it, sorry
Yes, but why only via manual editing? This is exactly the question
And I also argued, that it is not about note offs at all. But you said before that when playing live it cannot work because of releasing the key before hitting it again, so I assumed the note off is the problem in that case.
So, if it isn’t, what exactly is the difference between playing live and sequencing, and why can the one not work like the other? I still don’t get it, sorry
Only via manual editing because, when you are triggering a voice (without the mono switch*) it is automatically allocated a new note column.
You can see this for yourself when recording - while the voice is active (not released), each new note ends up in a new note column. The one-shot mode “strengthens” this approach by simply not releasing voices. That is, for as long as sample playback has not reached the end of the sample (so short samples tend to use fewer columns).
I don’t really see a big problem there, as long as the recording is aiming to reproduce what was played - whether or not this is perfect, well … different discussion 
But fact is, it simply wouldn’t be possible to utilize the full set of features in a tracker from a MIDI keyboard - sometimes, you_need_to edit things manually.
- I said that you couldn’t invoke NNA for a one-shot sample while playing it live. I forgot to add that this is indeed possible when the instrument has the monophonic option enabled, as you will then force it to re-use the same note column.
You can see this for yourself when recording - while the voice is active (not released), each new note ends up in a new note column. The one-shot mode “strengthens” this approach by simply not releasing voices. That is, for as long as sample playback has not reached the end of the sample (so short samples tend to use fewer columns).
Yes, I know this is how it works internally, but I just think that whatever you do internally shouldn’t be noticable to the user. An average user will (and also should I think) expect things to just work consistenly, because he or she will not know all the internal details and can hence not infere why things are different. And I also know this is all due to historical reasons and that trackers where never meant to be played live. I sometims just wish that more attention would be paid to the actual playing of instruments, especially with the sampler getting more and more capable.
But I certainly do appreciate you taking your time to answer me in detail. Thanks!