Nah come on man, its not REALLY that different is it?
I reckon this is a golden opportunity to get a load more people on board. Even if it doesnt result in 1000’s more registrations, at least the overall community would be bigger.
I sometimes wonder if it is the perfect size as it is, and worry that if it gets bigger that the feel will change, but I think in reality the basis and ideals have already been set here, so any extra people would just be a good thing.
Get spamming!!
By ‘constant growth’ I am guessing you mean continual?
This means an equal amount of extra people registering each month (year/day/week/nano-second, etc.)…
I cant see why this would be disappointing?
Did you mean something else? Or… what are the alternatives?
The most easiest way to adverstise and every Renoise user can actively do this, is just create a video that demonstrates a simple thing to get workflow going and post it on YouTube.
It is on my to-do list of things in the aspect of “Teach and Advertise”, but there are a lot of things i can’t demonstrate since i don’t have a lot of gear to control Renoise.
I have enough to show the basics.
One thing that is becoming less that i really need is time. Two jobs and both demanding more from me on a quick pace this month.
Ah OK, I get it now!
Yeah that isnt as good is it 
Amazing idea!
Notify us when you’re done…
I get what you mean. I also have some really big difficulties with keeping all things up. I’m graduating next month to receive my B. Sc. in computing science, I work as a developer to pay this off, I have a demanding gf (which is I think a marvelous thing after all 
), I have also some projects of my own (like XRNS-Lib which I plan to finally release in February). Oh, back to the topic… The video stuff is a great idea… but I don’t really know how to make videos in the first place. Someone would have to explain. I’d do some MIDI demonstrations with my new instrument.
Yeah, that’s true but I guess there are still some things missing in Renoise. I guess that without them people heavily using audio recording and MIDI just won’t bother changing the paradigm from magix-like sequencers to a tracker.
Multilevel marketing is a nice way to sell a program, but indeed if a potential user does not want to buy it because it lacks features, the talk has to be done again once new features have been added.
I know for sure the userbase would increase if Renoise would also be released as a VST plugin.
Nah, and here you’re being way too heavyhanded. Audio tracks (or an Arranger… this seems to be a more popular approach as I see on the forums; I’d rather have audio tracks tho) are the last major thing missing (with it you would be able to bypass the subtick timing limitation for now by just recording the VSTi as an audio track). The rest of the things I mentioned is important but not crucial to produce serious music. And I’m not talking about Venetian Snares-like music. Think Keith’s “Electronic Space Cowboy”, etc.
So, Renoise is just crossing the line of a tool for enthusiasts to a professional music production tool. Massive marketing would easily make it much more popular. We need some decent documentation which you can actually print out, we need video demoes (I like this format of docs, it really speaks well to musicians), we need massive advertising (think: Renoise logo on CDs in stores, Renoise logo on shirts during gigs, Renoise tutorials in music magazines, etc.). And we need the killer song, the one which will hit the Top 40 and the author will say: it wouldn’t be possible without Renoise 
Famous musicians (and I mean mainstream famous) using Renoise would be nice, too.
But yeah, audio tracks are a must in one form or another.
The video advertisement, even for showing the basics, is an AMAZING idea.
We got to consider that prospectives users are (as a majority) kids, that didn’t know or don’t know what trackers are. I’m 30, and I didn’t!
Beginners or frustrated users of big name sequencers would think twice and give it a go, instead of just saying “fck this sht. it’s too complicated”, and going back to using Live or Cubase or whatever. Think about it, almost every n00b that doesn’t know a thing about music production starts with Reason, because that thing is so easy to use. Then they move on to something more complex.
And if you can put a nice video together, showing that Renoise is not as scary as it seems, there will be user coming to join and support Renoise.
Hmm… It’s true what you guys says… Wait with the big announcements when it’s “ready” (when it has the features you’d expect from any professional musictool.) Or else people will think “nah I remember how it was” the second time it’s advertised. I’m with Ambivalence on his wishes of how Renoise should be developed as well…
in some ways i agree, but on the other hand renoise isnt a company.
for instance, some of the biggest reasons we love renoise so much, has alot to do with the close knit community we have here.
here, we all have the ability to say “hey, this might be better if it was done like this”
an if it really is better, then what do we see? we see renoise become better! 
it’s that feeling of personal connection we see an hear about, it draws us closer to each other.
even tho lately, there has been a bit of frivolous feature requests that wouldnt necessarily benefit renoise, the ones that would an do benefit renoise are very much listened to, an very much discussed.
for those innertested to make some renoise tutorial video’s I recommend checking out ‘camtasia 4’ capturing software ( http://www.softwarecasa.com/pprod/212402dd…CFTVYQgodTW0eUg ). Install it, press record…and run it in the back while fondling renoise. It automatically records everything on screen. You can output it to whatever videocodec you have installed on yer system.
Ah that sounds quality. I will get onto that later and put some basic things together.
We should probably make a list of things which need recording and tick them off once we have done them, to save mulitple versions of the same thing.
I have registered it and did the tutorials with Camtasia 3.x Only problem is i had to upgrade to 4.x for an unreasonable price so i got stuck with 3.x (Which is still very okay btw)
mininova is an option if you want to try before buy 4.0
LOL! You actually believe in this? I won’t use this piece of software since my “evaluation” would really mean theft. It would… since I don’t plan spending $300 on capturing software anyway. So, sorry, I’ll pass.
Maybe I seem a little too serious about this but I’m a developer myself and I know how it feels like when you decide not to release something for free and see bunches of people evaluating. Bollocks, I say.
In any case, I love SX3. It’s buggy, but I really like it. I"ll never invest in any Steinberg product again, no matter how good it may be. Such a shame.
[left]All these companies losing progressively (or even from the very start) their human dimension for sake of profit and all the standardized-conventional-commercial-way-of-thinking stuff… It makes me feel so sad.
About the last news on Renoise homepage, “Our customer care policy” : You don’t need to insist on the bad attitude of other people and try to take profit of it. Doing this, you start falling down.
Just try to be honest and modest, people feel it like they breathe and they appreciate. And I’m sure you would appreciate too ; staying human while working is worth the loss in gains, this is a matter of conscience, conscience brings harmony or leads you to stress and contempt. These are my feelings.
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Renoise is no society, you are individuals doing an excellent job and I wish you not to change.
Well, that said, you can stay modest & honest while doing some advertising and trying to make some more profit if you feel limited or think it could be beneficial to people, there is no paradox. 
Agreed. It’s a case of actions speak louder than words.
Please don’t take offense, but this has to be said. In regards to the article on the front page the english needs a helluva lot more work. I feel like I’m reading some sort of post-colonial auto thesaurus on cocaine that’s really into itself. I had to re-read it five times to figure out what you were talking about. Here’s one example (of many):
“Registering Renoise involves more just than that you get a license to use our product:”
The above word, involves, is wrong. By using that combination it sounds that my registration requires my involvement, that I am obliged to do something. “more just than you” is a grammatical mess. The rest doesn’t work with the first. The sentence… makes no sense. The whole write-up… doesn’t work.
I know this isn’t english class, but if you are going to “promo” why not do it in a language you have a complete mastery of? I’d have no problem running stuff through babelfish to get the jist of it. Otherwise, it starts to look like “engrish” and the professionalism gets lost, if not laughed at.
Sorry.
EDIT: To be more constructive, here’s another way of writing it: “By Registering Renoise you get more than just a license to use the product.” - I’m no writer, and i’m not looking to do the job, but just pointing out that simple and correct usually beats weird grammar and big words with references to the self.