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I like in renoise pretty much everything, but bothers me that i can’t save renoise dsp effect tweakings as a preset so i make my own default presets and can save them and load them, pretty annoyng is always start from start all the time.
click ‘init’ in the renoise dsp effect box, there you can save and import your own presets
a thnx a lot man, saved my day. 
I’ve played with trackers before (Scream, Impulse) and like those Renoise is very fast for building short loops, snippets and drums but gets increasingly messy when one tries to make whole song. I’ve understood that arranger is in the works so that’s nice.
I would want to change note velocities visually (by drawing) instead of typing but I haven’t found a way yet. It would be nice if effect values had some visual way to edit them (drag number with a mouse and number changes to pie chart to visually show min and max values). Typing hexadecimal is slow when changes are subtle and it’s hard to see big picture with plain numbers (curves are good for overall view).
Navigation is bit slow and keyboard-centric: double/middleclick in pattern doesn’t move cursor to actual click point (like effect value or velocity).
I miss the piano roll for partial transponing and chord editing (also for visual note delay edits).
Visualization of note length (as a colored blocks) would make patterns faster to read, and maybe note velocities could be optionally shown as editable bars/pies.
I would love to automatically pitch slide to next note (or some other pitch) instead of calculating note slide effect values in my head. Effect value editor with note names would be good solution too (see above).
I think arpeggio and other such effects should work with VSTis/MIDI. Better yet Renoise could have an arpeggiator for sending chords as arps to VSTis/MIDI gear.
I miss layered samples in instruments and the ability to edit envelopes without grid.
I would like to insert and humanize notes between rows. Note delay effect has no visual feedback (maybe it could offset note between rows a few pixels) and for me speed setting feels archaic.
And it would be nice to have very long samples (like minutes) but maybe this comes with the arranger.
I love Renoise for the ability to tweak everything at low level. Such amount of control is great but bigger picture is currently bit problematic.
As I say in another topic, I think beginners need many nice and modern tracked modules for load and learn in Renoise.
By the way, this topic is: http://www.renoise.com/board/index.php?sho…=16266&st=0
I remember long time ago (in 1996) I load “touch of the spring” s3m by Purple Motion to my Fast Tracker 2 and this was be unforgettably. 
The numbers are the ‘names’ of the patterns
Three 6s beneath each other would mean you play pattern 6 three times
I’m not sure if there’s somewhere where you can see which patterns you’ve got, because removing a pattern from the sequence doesn’t remove it from the memory.
if you click and drag on the line of the sequence box you can expand an option to give the patterns your own names, which is alot easier to handle.
if all your numbers get jumbled after a while, there’s a Sort Pattern Sequence option which automatically renumbers your patterns logically (the top pattern being 0, and then counting from there). You can get to this option by right-clicking in the sequence editor.
you can also associate labels to the patterns:
quite frankly, I don’t get this whole subject about the difficulty of creating complex arrangements inside Renoise; I often compose orchestral songs which can be longer than 10 minutes, using more than 100 patterns.
ok, of course I have long experience with trackers, but I think that complex arrangements can be easily done in Renoise. I respect the point of view of people who find this task difficult, but honestly I don’t agree with them
I agree, it’s not difficult, once you manage, how this “pattern ↔ sequence” thing works. But for a complete noob it is not very obvious that a “pattern” is just a part of a “sequence”
Full Ack. I agree that many newbies install Renoise or similar and think: “Now I am a great musician”. Some of them quit, because they do not manage to RTFM and enter weird basslines or stuff like that.
not much to say but: SAME HERE
my tracks are not 10 minutes long, but with the high bpm’s, tracks often have 100+ patterns
you can even LABEL the patterns to keep track (har har har) of where you are in your composition.
try to label different sections of the composition, so that you know what happens where
For tracker noobs its not as easy as you make it out to be am afraid, its fuking hard lol
Obviously, since as taktic said:
and he asked for feedback from newcomers:
So all you long-term/expert users say “I don’t see a problem with this”, but a number of newcomers mention the pattern/sequencing issue. It’s true to say that every aspect of the program is fine if you RTFM, but much of renoise is easy enough to work out without resorting to the documentation, and with practice I have got the hang of using the sequencer.
When I first tried (and before reading the doc’s) some of the behaviour did seem very strange though. E.g. I click ‘add pattern’ but I get a copy of the previous pattern, so I delete the data from it, only to find it’s been deleted from the previous pattern too. It’s trivial to an experienced user, but I bet a lot of first timers have the same problem. RTFM is not a solution if you’re genuinely looking at improving ease of use as taktic’s initial post suggests.
Agreed. Arranging isn’t intuitive from the get go, I struggled with the exact same thing when I first tried Renoise.
‘Sort pattern sequence’ can be confusing as well I guess, since this re-numbers patterns into a consecutive order…but doesn’t actually ‘sort’ the existing patterns. If you have: 1-2-4-3-5,…selecting ‘sort pattern sequence’ will re-number that sequence to 1-2-3-4-5. What you’ve tracked in pattern 4 is now renamed pattern 3. When I think of sorting, I don’t expect this behavior. Not a big deal or something, but a lill strange maybe 
While it is of course possible to work with the current arranger, it could be sooo much better in terms of overview and functionality. Again I’ll refer to Fl Studio’s method of arranging; there the patterns & playlist (where you arrange the patterns) are separate and I think if Renoise incorporated the same method it would win epically. You could just sketch a few different ideas and lay them on the side, and drag 'em in an arrangement if needed.
Right now your ideas/patterns are always part of the same linear chain. Even though re-ordering is a simple mouse-drag away…when you come back to an old renoise project…visually you can’t really see the arrangement or get a grasp of what you were aiming for without listening (some might say this is a +). So, yeah you can add a name to a pattern and give a description, but still you’re looking at a ‘monophonic’ representation of a polyphonic composition
I’ve been doing it the oldschool tracker way since protracker, but can’t wait to see the next evolutionary step.
First time I tried Renoise, I was like WTF, the right ctrl key doesn’t start the song? THIS ISN’T FT2?!
Then I learned to use the space bar.
Years later, all the computers in my house are OS X and said key is called the “apple” key.
Hi! I use renoise from last year and simply I LOVE IT! renoise is the best for drum programming/crazy-FX maker with the 09xx, 0Exx, B0-B1 commands (that I always use)… 
I make some of my best loops in congiuntion with the loop points in the sample view… I thing that if a position of the markers S/E and the type of loop(forward, reverse, pingpong) are writable in the effect column section, for example:
C-100 … fsxx fexx --> xx(00-FF) forward, start, xx - forward, end, xx
— … … ---- ----
— … … ---- ----
C-100 … rs60 re80 reverse, start, 60 - reverse, end, 80
— … … ---- ----
— … … ---- ----
C-100 … ps10 peB0 pingpong, start, 10 - pingpong, end, B0
— … … ---- ----
— … … ---- ----
renoise kick aSS!!!
I like this in next relase of renoise 
this is one of the legacy things I never managed to get rid of.
indeed, there is an option in:
edit => preferences => misc => sapce record/stop mode
which, if set to “FT2”, behaves exactly as FT2.
about the arranger again:
I reckon that the current way of arrange is not the most full-featured in the world, and its few features could be done/named better; what I wanted to say, in the end, is that an arranger is not a real solution, if the problem is that people make music by simply merging sketches and ideas together.
anyway, looks like lots of people do it this way, and this is a newbie thread, so let’s take in count their opinion; I will simply go on with “this is already implemented” replies where needed 
edit
If I could assign a pattern to a key like the sampler does with samples I could jam with them to compose. I could learn what it looks like visually so that long term users dont get features they dont like and nubis like me can get arranging faster.
seriously have you looked at fl lately,its certainly dont deserve the "toy-image"it has suffered under the last couple of years.
and i dont even use it.