it’s not a question of the renoise devs necessarily coding it better. it’s a matter of being part of the same set of processing instructions.
it’s just that a component of the renoise program itself can be designed to integrate into the existing DSP backbone more seamlessly and using less cpu power than a program that has to run in addition to renoise, send and receive data, and scramble and descramble VST instructions on both ends. it’s an extra step. sort of like an internal effect versus an external effect that get’s connected to an rca, with a 1/4" adapter on it to work.
granted, most effects built into outboard HARDWARE aren’t all that great, but that’s one of the cool things about having an open rapport with the designers isn’t it .
VST technology is a cool thing because it gives you the option to redesign your working environment and integrate what you choose into your setup. i don’t really care about multilayered multisampled instruments, but (god forgive me for mentioning IT) IT2 really got me hooked on the notion of multisampled instruments. having access to a whole range of different smaples on one keyboard split is wicked , and it’s a feature that’s worth developing and refining.
the current implementation is very cool. we may not be too happy with the reviewer’s cursory assesment of our personal holy grail/rosetta stone of music manufacture, but i think he/she had a good point. it was constructive criticism.
jabbanoising is already seeping into the market that people like the reviewer cater to (note recent remix project propositions and live radio shows by renoizeters). while it would have been a very satisfying ego-stroke to just have had the dude go, “Shit man! WHere has this program been all our lives.” Having a pro-circuit music software reviewer criticise renoise might be a bit ignorant in some ways, but also useful in some others.
Event processing (passing notes and parameter automation to the VST(i) etc)
is a small part of the CPU load, the most important part is the algorithms that
generate sample data. Just a quick look at the numbers makes this obvious:
44100 samples per second to calculate is far more than a few notes per
second. A small overhead per note doesn’t really matter, a small overhead
per sample is a whole other ballgame.
So basically splajn is probably right, we don’t have the same DSP expertice as
corporations focusing on making plugins and thus can’t necressarily compete
in that area. But we can probably make some features that are more
integrated with the way Renoise works.
(But I think Florian refered to the existing built in effects, and this might of
course be true, although it of course depends on what you compare with).
hmm…I’m probably too dumb to understand this.
Where is the difference between a note and a sample here?
While we are using the tracker more or less as a sampler with FX, when are we playing ‘only notes’ and when can we talk about samples?
I was thinking that a multilayered instrument can play more samples by ‘pressing one note’, am I wrong?
If I’m not, then it’s not different from what a tracker does already.
The only difference is that we have to play each sample as a seperate instrument. Or let’s say on a split keyboard we have to use different keys to play 2 or more samples at the same time.
Someone help me
A multi layered instrument, can play two samples by pressing one note, but it can also mix those two or more samples depending on the velocity by which the note is played.
Not a sample like a soundfile or a part of an instrument in Renoise.
One sample like one single value in that soundfile, which there is
usually 44100 of per second in a regular sound.
Some times “sample” in this context is refered to as a “frame”,
which is analog to a movie.
just to keep from mixing too many confusing terms up in this discussion: i think he means “analogous” (similar to). sorry for the edit. i know it’s bad manners on international forums.
Renoise isn’t a recordingprogram. But the reviewer probably means linear-sequencers like logic or cubase.
I started with Protracker on my good old Amiga. Then I changed to Cubase but felt never lucky with this piece of software (altough the new SX isn’t that bad . So I changed to Logic and used it for many years, and even released some songs in germany on popular dance samplers. But all these years I felt that I don’t have the real control about my songs like I had in my good old 8-Bit 4 Channel Amiga Tracker. Changing to a tracker was no question for me because I tought, the quality isn’t just good enough for commercial releases.
As some of you may know, Apple bought Emaigc and Logic Development for PC was stopped. I have now tought of changing my system, but that was too expansive for me, because I have also buy/crossgrade some VSTs and other Software. So the last two month I searched for an alternative.
Fruity Loops seems quite okay to me, but some things really put me down, like the terrible Piano-Roll-Editor. Its a lot of work to create complex sequences.
Then I tried Psycle and tought it is quite good. Later I found Renoise and gave it a try and was very pleased with my first results, and the feeling to have absolute control abouth everything. Last Sunday I ordered my copy of Renoise and I can’t wait to recieve my copy of it. I just can’t wait to use ASIO in Renoise and to rock the world with it
Thanks for the translation Kricke! Although I could read it in Swedish I don’t have the mag so it was very good.
There must be contact persons in the magazine, right? Or if it has something like reader’s columns you could send a mail with the corrections to them… we don’t want people to think less of Renoise, do we?
[b] nah, beat calculator native plugin, all this drag & drop stuff, visualization plugins & sweet sweet rainbow coloured lego arranger is more important than this one…
…allso 3d first person shooting game inside ReNoise would be a great success. [/b]
All of the ComputerMusic magazines that come out in the United States are from the U.K… So if the Renoise developers want to get more media exposure, they should contact U.K. music magazines.
for now, all those magazines want to talk about is Reason, Cubase and FL-studio. So I’m SURE they’d be happy for some fresh topics. They did review madtracker a few years back.
definite feature for 1.6: built in Eliza clone. So when you’re sitting in front of your computer at 4 am trying to figure out where to take your current masterpiece you can talk to it and have it console you about your artistic torment.
How about CVS integration, that would make things like longtrack projects easy to develop? Or built-in www browser so you can browse the Renoise forums while composing? Or a built in multi-player MS Hearts (multi-player) game, so you can play something with other Renoisers in the breaks during your work. Or a… ARGH! (here came Martinal and broke my nose)
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, and it’s a feature that’s worth developing and refining.
