yes, the conclusion is:
Ableton has hundreds of developers working on Ableton.
Renoise is pretty much a one-man operation.
so how are these comparable?
Again.
What can Renoise do that Abelton can?
Compare a bicycle to a car. The only thing they have in common is that you can move around.
So what’s the point of this comparison???
lol, i don’t know bro, you’re the one who made it in the first place! 
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Can you type it in English? what first place???
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yes I was type it. But reason was that you all try compare a bicycle to a car so that’s why I pick up a stupid example.
makes perfect sense
ok. look like you drunk to much…
could we keep things civil, communicative and informative instead of bickering back’n’forth?
the main advantage of renoise is a truly powerful work with notes. those who choose trackers first of all choose a sequencer and a way of interaction, in renoise it is instant in comparison with ableton, but it depends on habits and preferences.
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You can edit samples directly in Renoise.
In Ableton you need an external sample editor to do the same edits.
You can edit samples to great lengths in Live but you do it in arrangement view. I do it all the time, as well as editing in Renoise. There are differences and Renoise feels more direct and precise. But Live seems a lot easier to go nuts with processing/fx. You could probably get the same type of results in either but the processes have their pros and cons on each. I think Renoise takes more intentional pre-planning. Live is my choice when doing more loose humanized programming and recording. Much easier to edit audio on the fly. Personally, depends on the mood im in which ever i use. Both are lovely
What i also noticed, what Renoise can do better than Ableton is rendering to sample.
Example:
Let’s take the Amen Break.
After slicing the Amen and quantizing the automatically generated MIDI clip so that all the slices are “quantized” to the right positions in the note grid, and then recording/bouncing it to new audio track, and then slicing the new sample again, but snapping the slices to 1/8 or 1/16 notes etc., some parts of the recorded sample are not fitting right. Sometimes the end of some slices still contain a small part of the next slice like there are some syncing/latency issues when bouncing.
If you do it the same way in Renoise, slicing the Amen and play the slices accurately in the pattern editor and then rendering the selection to sample, it always fits exactly as expected in Renoise.
Another thing that Renoise can do better than Ableton.
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Has anyone mentioned that Renoise is better at being Renoise? Any software is more than the sum of its feature list.
An interesting question in 2025 is: what can Ableton do that Bitwig can’t? Feature-wise Bitwig is incredible but I can’t stand the feel of it, and there’s no way I’d ever use it over Ableton.
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I have both, Bitwig and also Ableton. And i fully agree.
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a bit backwards but something i wish renoise had is an equivalent of Max4Live, would be really neat seeing the community develop its own plugins for Renoise like we already have with the renoise tools.
Edit: perhaps integration with either pure data or faust would be neat to make plugins for Renoise
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I think crossfading and loop marker automation is less of a pain in Ableton, creating x-fades produce clicks in R, and they are destructive. Of course, Renoise instruments shine at other things, but imagine Simpler in Renoise? (im jk)
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There alreay is a great pure -plug data community over at discord .
Integration within renoise would not be ideal since renoise internal midi routing is severerely limited
@gentleclockdivider could you provide a link to that discord, please?
Just type in plugdata in discord