I’m all for getting rid of hex. I was used to that 15 years ago but I’d prefer some more intuitive scale like 000-127 (or 255) these days…
(or at least a global option switch that gives you a choice)
+1 for global switch option
As much as I would prefer and think a decimal system is more intuitive, I know some old school guys are probably quite used to it and get good results from it, thusly I think a complete ditching of the system may not be fair.
Blasphemes!
0-FFh IS 0-255dec.
The easy halving/doubling by one having to change one number is very useful.
C-4 80
c-4 40
C-4 20
C-4 10
Compared to:
C-4 128
C-4 64
C-4 32
C-4 16
Although I wouldn’t actually oppose an option but Hex really does make sense in more than just reducing used screen real estate. I prefer to have my Lines numbered in Hex, over Decimal, which is already a user option. Although when working at 12/24 LPB sometimes decimal can be a little easier…
And how do you want to translate these symbols to the keyboard?
I’m all for this to change, It’s easy to adapt by excising users.
they will get used to other things that do the same.
For new users it might get less intimidating to see more defined stuff on their screen.
To try to make things tens times more complicated because it’s cool.
I hate the FF or what ever for velocity.
Ridiculous and stone age.
I’m making music here not reinventing the theory of relativity FFS.
Why do DAWS speak in their own language instead of ours?
Waiting for all DAWS to step out of the mathematicians lab and embrace the year 2011 not the 90s.
Time for DAWS to be simple and speak to us like humans instead of being as hard as C+ programming.
The first company or person that makes a DAW with every feature but speaks to us in a language we understand,will be a trillionaire.
Garf´s quicksearchable puuldown menu would do the trick, but then keys reflect the symbols description ofcourse.
+1
Get rid of the hex as default.
It might fit some old trackers and some coders but for the rest of the world its just yet another weird obstacle to get into the program and it limits the nr of effect.
A dropdown with symbols or letters (each symbols having a letter connected to it?) would make it easier to use,
easier to read (better overview) and give it more possible effect comands.
Come on guys hex is really wonderful and easy!
Yes that’s right, but put yourself into the position of a new user.
It could lower the threshold for those who don’t say 0E14= re trigger where 1 is volume slide down and 4 is tick count so easily.
Anything is easy for someone who knows how to do it, but it’s kind of obvious that it’ll be tricky for a beginner to figure out why 37 should be written as 25.
If you weren’t at least vaguely technically minded you wouldn’t of chosen a composing software than looks like the Matrix over something fluffy like Music2000 
Every body has instant access to something that will very quickly change between decimal and hexadecimal at their fingertips. All OSes come with a calculator built in with this function!
So, do you want to mess around with calculators to make music?
And We have a hex<>dec converter tool 
That’s actually quite convenient.
I doubt that. I’ve had no problem teaching Renoise to people, apart from the one single thing with the hexadecimal numbers. These were users who basically knows how to operate a web browser and a word processor, and I could easily teach them to input notes and add samples and VST instruments. They do not think it’s convenient to use a converter or a calculator, they just wonder why it just isn’t normal numbers. I’m making conclusions from experience.
Well it would be best if there was some internal renoise converter. If some one want to put values in decimal i think he should have such choice. I mean its just a view.
It’s not just about converting the numbers from hexa decimal to decimal (which isn’t quite difficult to be honest) in my opinion.
If we have decimal numbers it would expand the possibilites for the effect column which would be a great improvement imo.
i think that inputting numeric values in hex is quite fine (since i’ve gotten used to it i guess lol)
when it comes to the names of the commands then i think hex values works but imo: mnemonics > 00 to 0E.
would be easier to remember AR or AP for arpeggio, PS for pitch slide and CV for channel volume etc and the commands doesn’t really, to my knowledge, have any logical “order” so assigning them to hex numbers doesn’t really help.
+100 for mnemonics instead of hex!
Funny thing about them is that even though they’re written as text they can become more symbol-like when command is recognized by Renoise. Imagine color coded (MIDI, sample fx, global fx etc) little squares with shorthand text inside. Same goes for values, they could have background color showing the current range and click+drag would change that value and show it graphically (easy for tweaking while playing or for drawing automation or whatever). This would essentially combine keyboard input with visual, easy-to-comprehend overview.
Quick mockup (value bars could be combined with numbers or shown optionally instead of them, last “cc” command is being typed, so it looks like ordinary before it turns to semi-symbolic):
I’m little biased against plain symbols as when there are plenty of them it becomes a chore to recognize them from each other without additional labels. That’s why mnemonics are the way of the future!
+10 for decimal numbers. I’m constantly using only 80,40,20 or some such values, missing all the nice variations because it’s easier to type those.
I really don’t see the problem of learning a bit of hexadecimal. I mean, it is only counting after all…it’s not like you’re being asked to do matrix algebra 
I don’t understand some comments of people trying to make Renoise much more ‘easier’; maybe it’s not the right choice of DAW for them. It is in a language that is easy to understand, it’s just a case of clearing ones mind, reading the tutorials, watching the utoob vids and taking gentle steps. It is complicated and can seem confusing but practising and perseverance will yield great results
Have you ever taught anyone to count (I’m hoping for pre-schoolers here and not fully-grown adults… 
)? It takes the ‘student’ repeated practise to remember ‘one…two…etc’
Count paving stones in hex. Pace out your beats. Embrace the challenge
To me, Renoise is a puzzle and I’m liking ‘unlocking’ new features from reading forum posts, experimentation and happy accidents; Personally, for me, if anyone wants decimals, sliders or symbols, it’s no great shakes for me; just make sure that there is a checkbox to turn all the schmoltz off
Peace!
I think it’s a great idea. And maybe the input field could expand itself and the width of the track as you type, so for instance you could type “V75 AR375 P25” (Volume=75% Arpeggio=375 Panning=25%) all in one go without having to open a new FX column.
What about typing +1 instead of 91 in the volume column (pitchslide up), and -1 instead of A1? Maybe remove the HEX completely there and add an extra char so that you can write +99 and just typing 50 would set the volume to 50% and 100 is 100%… but then there’s a char missing so you can’t write +100, but that doesnt make sense anyway?