About the k35 filter ..calling kr@ken

Ideas & suggestions
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See the screenshot , those resonant spikes are impossible to get with the K35 filter ( ms 20emu ??,lol)

When using the K35 as a filter effect , and adding the distortion dsp effect (set to shape) after the filter , the result is almost identical as the filter drive itself .

A hyperbolic sat.effect.

If the overdrive effect were inside the filter feedback loop , increasing the input gain would limit the resonant peaks!

I have a hard time believing that the filter drive is actually doing somethig inside the filter’ circuit , in no way it is behaving as a ms 20 filter behaves , or any other overdriven filter circuit .

Please, kraken or whoever made the filters , give some info , why sell it as an MS20 ?

Other then all the shit writte above, the filter sounds nice in it’s own way ,

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Yep, it’s clearly not a ms20 emulation. No one ever claimed it is. The 3 poletopology still is somewhat similar, which is why it’s called “k35”.

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Is it the same thing that is described here?
http://www.willpirkle.com/forum/algorithm-design/v-a-filter-not-available-in-the-books/

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Yep, it’s clearly not a ms20 emulation. No one ever claimed it is. The 3 poletopology still is somewhat similar, which is why it’s called “k35”.

Thanks ,the article posted above …made me think it was an ms 20 emu .

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There’s a filter chip in the MS called KORG35, but basing dsp design on an analog topology and actuallyclaiming an emulation of ms-20 is completely different thing… I guess devs want to use the K35 name just as a hint.

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i see what he is saying. but there is not very much software that emulates this at all, still. the mix into the filter seems rather fixed or wrong. it’s not just renoise.

renoise has made now some great sampler category filters, though. they are not shit now, they are great. depending on taste, it is as ‘good’ as emu or ensoniq. or whatever proper sampler filters, equal. not the same but shouldnt be.

it doesnt work exactly like uh-e or some newr reaktor stuff as this clock guy seems to use or have some deep theoretical if not actual familiarity with analog filters. good points, but…

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i see what he is saying. but there is not very much software that emulates this at all, still. the mix into the filter seems rather fixed or wrong. it’s not just renoise.

renoise has made now some great sampler category filters, though. they are not shit now, they are great. depending on taste, it is as ‘good’ as emu or ensoniq. or whatever proper sampler filters, equal. not the same but shouldnt be.

it doesnt work exactly like uh-e or some newr reaktor stuff as this clock guy seems to use or have some deep theoretical if not actual familiarity with analog filters. good points, but…

Clock guy here , No I just base my opinion on what I hear/see …comparing different filters that claim this or that .

I am no dsp wizard …far from it …just heavy reaktor builder /user …

@ taktik … 1 pole highpass added in the feedback loop doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a 3 pole filter as you stated .

I think the highpass is there for dc offset related stuff .

It sounds like and has the roll of of a 2 pole filter

In zebra 2.7 there are 2 zdf filters that emulate a korg ms 20 ( pre released diva filters ) …it’s called ms 2o …k35…

And best part of all , it sounds like an actual ms 20.

I am still convinced that the drive sounds almost the same on all filter types , and is a post filter …yeah maybe a bit inside the filter feedback loop …

But no way this should be called filter drive …

Filter drive …actually attenuates the resonance peaks …in renoise it just shapes the filters output …NOt the input

I am amazed nobody notices this

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Clock guy here , No I just base my opinion on what I hear/see …comparing different filters that claim this or that .

I am no dsp wizard …far from it …just heavy reaktor builder /user …

@ taktik … 1 pole highpass added in the feedback loop doesn’t necessarily mean it’s a 3 pole filter as you stated .

I think the highpass is there for dc offset related stuff .

It sounds like and has the roll of of a 2 pole filter

In zebra 2.7 there are 2 zdf filters that emulate a korg ms 20 ( pre released diva filters ) …it’s called ms 2o …k35…

And best part of all , it sounds like an actual ms 20.

I am still convinced that the drive sounds almost the same on all filter types , and is a post filter …yeah maybe a bit inside the filter feedback loop …

But no way this should be called filter drive …

Filter drive …actually attenuates the resonance peaks …in renoise it just shapes the filters output …NOt the input

I am amazed nobody notices this

No, clock guy, i notice this. Right about that, why i said ‘tube screamer after’…No, not proper, for filter emu but it is there and helps with 303 sounds. Maybe it was pointlesss to mention that renoise filters sound much better now, i guess you alreay said they sound better.

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“renoise” theoretical stock exchange value $k: X

“zebra” theoretical stock exchange value $k: Y

given X < Y, we further examine:

homeless “amateur who tought himself of the internet” filter programmer cost per month $k: A

proper “harvard graduate with best grades” engineer filter specialist with a phd cost per month $k: B

time of payed work (doughnuts + pizza + work hours + endless debugging + paying someone to judge whether the fitler (the filter version of a kitler) sounds o.k…): C

given AC > BC: (yeah, greater than, no fake!)

total cost equation is in contrary: (X + B)C ~= (Y + A)C ? is economics such transcendental stuff after all?

Yeah, pay and make music…